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Initial message[edit]

The image in the main article is only good as a secondary picture. There should be a better pic. This site is too much hard work. Somebody else will have to help out here, because I have to take a break!    — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarlKrish (talk • contribs) 20:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

German-Jewish surname[edit]

Roth is a German surname, not a German-Jewish one. Yes, Jews may also use this surname, but it's still a German surname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.255.27.80 (talk) 07:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like a good point. The name is as much a Nazi name as a Jewish one. The explanation does not ring true. The article says, "...partly through solidarity with the victims of the Holocaust, partly because the English were far from welcome in some of the countries to which his job took him" I know the English aren't the most popular people everywhere but surely immediately after the second world war the places Roth's father was likely to travel to would be more likely to accept an English surname than a German surname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 19:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also Smith is in the top 10 most common surnames in Ireland, held by people of all classes, backgrounds and religions, so highly unlikely it would make someone unpopular in the US? It would be interesting to find out in what countries Roth Snr travelled to where having a German surname during / after the war would make you more popular than having an English one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.62.204 (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April Fools?[edit]

http://www.who-philes.com/?p=57 Alan (talk) 09:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a blatant advert for a web site which just sells web domains. I think it should be deleted. Jodosma (talk) 12:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Taboo Subject ?[edit]

While making "The War Zone" Tim Roth gave few interviews - inculding a french one - where he said that he was abused when he was a child but it's not put on the article nor on imdb. Why ?

"Roth later admitted that he had been abused as a child. He tells me that it happened from a young age 'right through until I was probably 11'. He makes it clear that it wasn't his father. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/04/05/sm_timroth05.xml&page=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.205.51.104 (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Roth is a Jewish name[edit]

However, what sounds realLy suspect and quite ridiculous -- is the following -- "His father adopted the surname Roth after World War II in order to hide his nationality when traveling in countries hostile to the British" -- How silly. If anything, Europe was intensely PRO British after the war, and still, unashamedly anti Semitic. Jews were still being harrassed in pogroms all over Esdtern Europe even after the horrors of the holocaust were gradually more known to people, which, according to many academics, hurried on the founding of Israel.

If Roth's father had wanted to be accepted on his journeying -- going under a Brit or US name would certainly have won him many friends -- whilst choosing a Jewish name would have done the exact opposite in an areas still bligted by condescending and hateful anti Semtitism.And Roth IS a Jewish name, whatever a previous poster stated -- yes, it is also used by Gentiles, but it IS an Ashkenazi name.

http://www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page15.html


http://surnames.behindthename.com/php/search.php?terms=Jewish&title=Jewish+Names&usage=yes

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Roth-name-meaning.ashx


So why did Roth assume a Jewish name? Who knows, but the explanation given ( by Roth himself ) is plain silly -- perhaps he just wanted an "actors name" which would attract interest. After all, may do the same in music and acting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.138.57.171 (talk) 01:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Roth goes into great detail into all of this, and his family background, in this interview. All Hallow's (talk) 01:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Being British was unpopular with Jews in some quarters immediately after the war because of Britain limiting Jewish immigration to Palestine, a fact that completely neglects the point that if it hadn't been for the British fighting Nazism in 1939-45 there would not have been a European Jew left alive in 1945.
The British limited Jewish immigration for reasons that should by now appear self-evident, i.e., to prevent the Palestinians from losing control over their own country. Originally the plan was for portions of Palestine to be set aside for Jewish settlers with the full agreement of the Palestinians, which had been forthcoming, however that came to naught due to interference from outsiders.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.73 (talk) 10:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tales from the Crypt[edit]

I noticed Tim isn't being credited with his acting role in the Tales of the Crypt episode "Easel Kill Ya". Is there a reason for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.125.115 (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Broken release date[edit]

In the article, it's written that the release date for Broken is in 2014, and that it's "Filming". Except that it's already out in Europe (at least in France, since last week). A bit of editing is in order, I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.8.151 (talk) 19:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Footy?[edit]

86.150.200.148 (talk) 06:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC) In Lie To Me, Tim's often seen wearing a 'classic' West Ham scarf. I reckon that's his team. 86.150.200.148 (talk) 06:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many articles on British personalities contain the football club they support. For example, I just discovered that our Ninth Doctor is a fellow Manchester United supporter, while Billy Bragg prefers West Ham United. Would there be some way to find out which club, if any, Mr. Roth supports, and if so would that be worth including in the article? - 199.7.158.78 (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google searching hadn't helped me, but a friend a friend had a vague memory of him indicating on twitter that he's a Man U supporter as well, and I wasn't even aware that he was on twitter, so I narrowed my search to twitter and found this conversation (for some reason I couldn't find it searching Roth's account, but it showed up attached to a response). There's also a "verified" stamp by Roth's username, which to me suggests that Wikipedia's standards of citation have likely been met, but I'm not an expert in these matters, any insight from more experienced 'pedians would be nice. - 199.7.158.78 (talk) 17:00, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

another fillm for the list..[edit]

Hi, just wanted to add the film Liar, to Tim Roth's list, a 1998 film also with Renee Zellwegger. Not sure how to edit the main article so if someone could add it. thank you. 82.31.230.232 (talk) 13:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC) EJB.[reply]

The legend of 1900. 2601:282:4200:7E20:1CB2:D870:7FB7:AFF1 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Джек Рот[edit]

Странно, что в английской версии Википедии такая маленькая и скудная статья о великом актере? И почему-то нет интервик о сыне Тима Рота - Джек Рот, а ведь он подающий надежды актер и классно сыграл роль в английском сериале "Великое ограбление поезда" (2013)??? Монах - Сибиряк (talk) 22:43, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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English/British[edit]

Roth is described in multiple sources as English. In re-enforcing his English identity he states this was important when he went to the USA, on commenting on how nany other English actors were in the USA at that time and he didn't know if it could.Halbared (talk) 08:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC) As well as multiple third party references, after looking at the guide on UK nationals; Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom#Guide_to_finding_UK_nationality it says, Look specifically for evidence that the person has a preferred nationality.Halbared (talk) 08:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Roth repeatedly refers to himself as English, as do sources. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/06/tim-roth-as-messy-as-your-life-can-be-there-has-to-be-a-window-you-can-escape-through. The above, 'Look specifically for evidence that the person has a preferred nationality, still holds, there was no reason to make this recent edit of changing the lede away from English.Halbared (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where are these multiple sources? The only one linked above leads to a broken link page. MapReader (talk) 17:04, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, when I click on the link, it fails, when I copy and paste it, it works. When I searched this time for Tim Roth, the Guardian interview was the first one (first page) that pops up, the other interview on the article page is from another interview where he comments on being English among non-English, as well as;

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/21/798143357/tim-roth-on-working-with-tarantino-and-getting-his-start-in-london-pub-theater https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/tv/tim-roth-interview-tin-star-liverpool-final-season-series-finale-sky-atlantic-1270681.html?f=rss http://www.tim-roth.com/index.php?id=arenadec96 .Halbared (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These citations are pitifully weak. In the NPR one the article itself describes him as British throughout; in the other two he refers to comments that a hypothetical other person might make; they're not self-references at all. And I am not convinced that 'femalefirst' is an RS in the first place. Whereas reputable sources across the world generally refer to him as British - you've already provided one from NPR, here are sources from the US[1][2][3][4], from Canada,[5] Spain,[6] India,[7] as well as the UK.[8]. Hollywood Reporter, CBS, Fox, Canadian Tribune, the Guardian - these are first class sources.
'Pitifully' is a strong term, regardless of that, the point remains that there is a consistent effort by Roth of to maintain his identity and ethnicity, which is English, with regards to "'Look specifically for evidence that the person has a preferred nationality."Halbared (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unsupported by reliable sources, that’s just editor OR. Whereas his nationality is a proven fact, and reflects the way he is generally described. MapReader (talk) 22:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The subject exhibiting his own preference for a nationality isn't OR, interviews aren't original research. No-one is disputing the info box, but with British citizens there is allowance on Wiki across public figures to allow their nationality in the lede to be referenced by their own preference. Some prefer British, some prefer the home nations, Tim Roth consistently uses English/England.Halbared (talk) 08:53, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your sources aren’t reliable and they don’t show what you purport. It is very clear that the overwhelming majority of RS describe him as British. Give it up, rather than continually edit warring the point. There’s no contesting that he is British; it’s in his passport MapReader (talk) 18:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about passport, it's what he himself identifies as, as per the wiki guide page to UK nationality states, that is clear, and that is English, in the different interviews he gives.Halbared (talk) 21:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It isn’t clear at all, from your citations. You seem to have decided first, and cited afterwards. For example this interview is at least as strong as those you have cited and suggests opposite.[9] It’s time to cut the OR? MapReader (talk) 21:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Look specifically for evidence that the person has a preferred nationality.", Tim Roth consistently states he's English, that's a preference, that's clear. Tim Roth consistently stating he is English isn't "OR".Halbared (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Asserting something on the back of weak and/or unreliable sources doesn’t make it so. MapReader (talk) 22:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to assert the subject in an interview is himself an "OR" or an 'unreliable source' doesn't make it so.Halbared (talk) 22:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

American citizenship[edit]

If Roth's father Ernie Smith/Roth was born in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, New York, he was an American Citizen. Unless Roth's father went through the onerous process of renouncing his United State citizenship, Tim Roth would be an American or dual American-British citizen. That would explain why be was able to easily transition to Hollywood films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximZero (talk • contribs) 04:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely that Roth would be entitled to American citizenship at birth via his father. In this source, Roth says his father moved to Liverpool when he was 11. Roth was born in 1961, and per Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship at Birth by a Child Born Abroad, the American parent "must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14". Schazjmd (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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