Talk:Thomas Jefferson and education

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TJ and education[edit]

Excellent start.Parkwells (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Over-reliance on primary sources[edit]

Many of the sections draw only from what Jefferson himself wrote about education, rather than using secondary sources who wrote about Jefferson and his views and actions related to Education. My understanding that relying on individual editors' drawing from primary sources constitutes Original Research under Wikipedia guidelines.Parkwells (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Primaries are not disallowed but they need to be backed up with secondaries ie: (primary cite)(secondary cite). I always prefer to steer away from primaries whenever possible. Brad (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Description of plan and architecture, UVA[edit]

This section sounds as if it comes from a National Historic Landmark summary or other architectural historians' sources. Certainly much has been written about the university. Descriptions of what the architecture means and how effective it is need sources.Parkwells (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1817 Education plan[edit]

Was such a plan passed by the commonwealth? I don't think so; put in a placeholder about no free public education until Reconstruction, which I think is true of most southern states. The article should say more about what Jefferson achieved re: education, not just his views.Parkwells (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've just passed the point in Malone Vol 1 that covers this. The legislation included what is listed here but the year is wrong. TJ introduced the plan while a VA delegate in the later 1770s but few of his ideas were actually ever passed. He also legislated reforms for William & Mary College. I still believe that there will be plenty of material to support this article if anyone ever gets around to it. Brad (talk) 17:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I brought in some material from the main article and have obtained a book that focuses on TJ and education. There were three major pieces of legislation introduced regarding educational topics (schools, William and Mary, Library). This was while TJ was in the Virginia Legislature in the mid to late 1770s; not in 1817 as claimed here. Brad (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Raking the jewels[edit]

"... raking the jewels from the rubbish ..." and the "natural aristocracy" are both missing—both very commonly associated with Jeffersonian educational ideals—if someone has time to add czar ♔ 15:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]