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A fact from Therese Forster appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 August 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Therese Forster (pictured) edited the works of her father Georg Forster, who died when she was seven years old?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Therese Forster.

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on August 10, 2023.

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by The C of E (talk) 06:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Therese Forster in 1805, painted by Ludovike Simanowiz

... that Therese Forster (pictured) edited the works of her father Georg Forster, who died when she was seven years old? Source: Edition: for example Ludwig Uhlig, [1]. p. 345 "1843 besorgte sie die Gesamtausgabe der Schriften und Briefe ihres Vaters". Also Thomas P. Saine, [2], p. 76 "When Forster's daughter and Gervinus were preparing their edition of Forster's works..." Father's death on 10 January 1794: Uhlig, p.342 or Saine, p. 154
- ALT1:... that the teenage Therese Forster (pictured) wrote an epistolary novel with Isabelle de Charrière in French that appeared only in a German translation by her stepfather? Source: Letzter, Jacqueline (1998). Intellectual Tacking: Questions of Education in the Works of Isabelle de Charrière, p. 186 [3] (misspelled as "Foster"), Heuser, Magdalene (1997-12-16). "Die wiedergefundene Handschrift: Victoire ou la vertu sans bruit von Isabelle de Charrière", (doi 10.1515/9783484604100.178 available via TWL), p. 178
  - ALT1a: ... that the teenage Therese Forster (pictured) wrote an epistolary novel with Isabelle de Charrière in French that originally appeared only in a German translation by her stepfather?
  - ALT1b: ... that the teenage Therese Forster (pictured) wrote an epistolary novel with Isabelle de Charrière in French that was first published in a German translation by her stepfather?

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Comment: Would be happy to see her appear on her birthday (10 August) if possible. Hook improvements/suggestions welcome. I have access to a colour version of the picture, but it is of lower resolution (and I'm not going to complain if this runs without image). There is probably a hook to be made out of the Kotzebue marriage proposal (her father Georg Forster was the prototypical German revolutionary (and a world traveller who crossed the Antarctic circle with Cook), and Kotzebue's assassination started one of the most reactionary periods in German history, while Kotzebue's son Otto was also a world traveller and polar explorer. I haven't quite found the words to condense this into a good hook, though.

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 21:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new and long enough, and without major issues. Image is fine. QPQ provided. I've made some minor edits and left some comments on the talk page, which don't detract from DYK-eligibility. Hook facts are verified, but some tweaking is needed to accommodate them. For the original hook, the article doesn't explicitly say she was seven years old when her father died (it's basic math, but DYK hook facts should be stated near-verbatim in the article); for ALT1, the article doesn't clearly say that L. F. Huber is indeed her stepfather Ludwig Ferdinand. The wording "appeared only in a German translation" also doesn't seem very accurate. Maybe "first published as a German translation" would be better? The political background of the time might be too complicated a topic for a succinct DYK hook, I think. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul 012: All good points. I've added a mention of her age to the article to accommodate ALT0, and clarified the stepfather in the article. For ALT1, I've added ALT1a and ALT1b above that are slight variations of the same point, without going into excessive detail about the 1981 edition of the French original. I'll also comment on other points on the talk page and will improve the article further (but probably only after going to sleep). —Kusma (talk) 22:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. ALT0, ALT1a and ALT1b are good to go. (AGF on German book sources which aren't the most accessible to me.) --Paul_012 (talk) 07:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS As for the date request, it's not integral to the hook, but I guess why not? --Paul_012 (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments[edit]

I've added some wikilinks to subjects that aren't immediately obvious to the reader unfamiliar with German enlightenment writers (or German geography). Quite a few people are mentioned by surname only and this seems rather WP:EGGy; consider using full names unless it's very obvious to the basically informed reader. The name Marie is listed in the opening but not discussed anywhere; some explanation would be nice. Is there a specific reason the article refers to subject as Therese rather than by the surname Forster? --Paul_012 (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul 012, thank you for looking through the article. I'll see if I need to explain some of the people more. "Marie" seems to have been used only at baptism, I haven't found any real uses of the name anywhere. (The German Wikipedia uses de:Marie Therese Forster as the article title; actually, her mother was also named Marie Therese, so it isn't a great disambiguation...) As per WP:WAW, I changed to use her last name in most situations after her early childhood (when her world was full of people all named "Forster"). —Kusma (talk) 08:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]