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Scouting??[edit]

Why is the Woocraft Folk being lumped in with the Scouting movement? It is not, and never has been part of the Scouting movement and has in fact been philosophically and ideologically opposed to the Scouting movement throughout it's history. Ecadre 04:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I assum this is because the scouting wikiproject aims to cover articles related to scouting, and the woodcraft folk is in the Non-aligned Scouting organizations category. I think it makes sense.Ralph Sleigh 18:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, it makes no sense at all, the Woodcraft Folk is not a "non-aligned Scouting organisation". It is a member of the International Falcon Movement-Socialist Education International and historically had relations and exchanges with the Pioneer movements in the Socialist countries. It has always identified itself with the Co-operative and Labour movements, not the Scouting movement of which it has never been part.
It may make sense to you, but may I gently suggest that that is an opinion born out of ignorance.Ecadre 00:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From an article point of view, the only section to mention scouting is the history, and rightly so. The scouting portal logo only means it has been tagged by the scouting wikiproject for improval.
The scouting wikiproject will examine other youth groups as well. The Hitler Youth and Young Pioneers are not part of the project because they have "veered too far from the Scout method, and/or becomes overly politicized and/or militarized". From what I can glean from the project discussion, the woodcraft folk is considered borderline as a political measure of what will be included.
If you wish to argue any of the article content do so here, if you want it reomved from the scouting project I advise you ask in their talk page.Ralph Sleigh 17:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Woodcraft Folk is not mentioned in the Scouting wikiproject page, and only in passing on the discussion page. Also, I've just noticed that there is a "Scouting Portal" logo and link at the bottom of the information box at the right hand side of the page.
Now, the Scouting Wikiproject people are entitled to include whatever they like as pages they would like to improve, but this link and logo is completely misleading and incorrect. At the danger of having to keep repeating myself, the Woodcraft Folk has never been part of or allied itself with the Scouting Movement. In fact it has though it's history seen itself as opposed to the Scouting Movement. It allied itself with the Labour and Co-operative Movemnents, and interationally had relations with both CIMEA (the Pioneer Movement) and the International Falcon Movement.
I always find it odd that when some people talk about the Scouting Movement they consider it as non-political, but organisations such as the Woodcraft Folk as political. If by political you mean left-wing, then the Woodcraft Folk throughout it's history fits that bill well.
I've removed the Scouting Portal link since non of the self identified Scouting organistions consider the Woodcraft Folk to be Scouts, and neither do the Woodcraft Folk, it is misleading. I've added a link to the "International Falcon Movement-Socialist Educational International" instead.Ecadre 17:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Order of Woodcraft Chivalry & Scouting[edit]

My understanding is that the Woodcraft Folk is historically an offshoot of Kibbo Kift which was in turn an offshoot of Order of Woodcraft Chivalry. This last group did have an association with scouting, but that association as explicity terminated over the isue of militarism. Ie Scouts pro, Order anti. 124.168.8.167 (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC) Erm, Jeremy (talk) 06:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Kibbo Kift was not an ofshoot of the OWC. John Hargreaves was a former scout leader, but broke with Baden Powell over a number of issues.Oldandfat (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Politics[edit]

I've tagged the phrase "some members of Woodcraft Folk have claimed that the real reason the (DFES) funding was stopped is the group's strong stance against the Iraq War" with a "who" tag - this is a pretty serious accusation and would benefit from some clarification ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is just one reference but there are more : Wiki Newes --Lloyd rm (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of Woodcraft (youth movement)[edit]

A merge tag has been placed on Woodcraft (youth movement) proposing that it be merged here. The editor who proposed the merge has not, so far, given any reasons. Please discuss it below:-

  • Disagree with merge proposal. Woodcraft (youth movement) is about the program devised by Seton and discusses its influence on a number of youth organizations, including the Woodcraft Folk and Scouting. It is therefore not appropriate to merge it to an article on just one organisation. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, keep separate, at first glance they are the same, but it's like merging the UK Scout Association into the Boy Scouts of America. Common pedigree, but not the same.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Although I agree they are both different articles in essence, I don't think they should be separate. I would be happy creating a new section under The Woodcraft Folk where Woodcraft (youth movement) is accommodated. Otherwise people looking for The Woodcraft Folk can get confused and find the wrong page. Apologies for not giving any reasons when I first proposed the merge, I am still pretty new on editing... Magico.martinez (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But that would be hiding away in an article on ONE organisation, history and ideas that have influenced SEVERAL organisations. Your plan would add to confusion. Confusion, if it exists, can be handled by adding top-notes to each article which I will try to do. Maybe the name of Woodcraft (youth movement) could also be improved. What about Woodcraft in youth movements? --Bduke (Discussion) 21:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added dablinks at the top of each article that might avoid any confusion. Please improve the wording if you can. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is clearly no consensus for this merge so I am removing the merge tags from the articles. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free use of former logos[edit]

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