Talk:The Silver Swan (madrigal)

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Rename?[edit]

Wouldn't this article be better entitled "The Silver Swan", as that is the title of the madrigal? Cf. The Magic Flute and The Long and Winding Road. 217.41.247.51 (talk) 10:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

The recent edits to this article are intriguing, but I have two questions about them: (1) could some references be added to the new text (after a bit of Google searching I have no trouble believing it, but Google doesn't index everything) and (2) is this the same Christopher Hatton as the person covered by the Wikipedia article Christopher Hatton (died 1619)? Graham87 05:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Version by Qntal[edit]

Should mention be made of the 2006 version by Qntal? Drabkikker (talk) 18:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see why not; I've added it. Graham87 06:33, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Drabkikker (talk) 18:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The swan as the madrigalist[edit]

The present text notes:

The last line may be a comment on the demise of the English madrigal form or, more generally, on the loss of the late Elizabethan musical tradition.

I'm a layman, but I think we can go further.

One of the most famous madrigals, both now and at the time, was Jacob Arcadelt's Il bianco e dolce cigno, published in 1539, which is on the same theme. Italian madrigalists such as Orazio Vecchi used it as inspiration until the madrigal fell out of fashion there, around 1600.^[1] So Gibbons's swan refers to the madrigal's Italian origins, and this line refers to the death of the madrigal tradition as such.

Some way of mentioning this in the article seems in order, but it would have to be quoted from a source. Rp (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Schleuse, Paul (2015). "2. Intertextuality in Vecchi's Canzonettas and Madrigals, 1583-1590". Singing Games in Early Modern Italy. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-01501-3.

[1] Schleuse, Paul (2015). "2. Intertextuality in Vecchi's Canzonettas and Madrigals, 1583-1590". Singing Games in Early Modern Italy. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-01501-3.

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