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Tyler/Tyson confusion[edit]

In the Kirkus review, Tyson was called Tyler twice, if not thrice. Initially, I added Tyler, but now am changing it to Tyson. Pmlinediter (talk) 11:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Sea of Monsters/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Warrior4321 (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

In Depth Review[edit]

Weasel words

Like the previous book, this novel too is of the fantasy genre.[3] It is considered fast paced,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love.[5] It is thought to be humorous, and full of action.[4] By whom?
Fixed Removed. Pmlineditor^Talk 08:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not fixed Did you remove it, because I can still see it...? warrior 4321 17:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just a question: is the whole phrase weasel? Pmlineditor removed "considered" and "thought to be". Airplaneman ^talk 05:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which are the weasel words per WP:WEASEL. The intro to the synopsis of The Lightning Thief is written in a similar fashion. Pmlineditor ∞ 05:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Reworded and weasels removed. Airplaneman ^talk 21:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The weasel words are still there. Please see WP:AWW for more details. warrior 4321 02:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot locate them :(. Where exactly are they? Thanks, Airplaneman ^talk 03:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please give examples of such words. "This book is fast paced" cannot be weasel. It has a ref and the tone looks ok to me. If weasel words are in somewhere else, I need to know that in order to fix. Pmlineditor ∞ 11:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like the previous book, this novel too is of the fantasy genre.[3] It is fast paced,[4] humorous, full of action,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love.

are the sentences which contain weasel words. As WP:AWW says

Who says that?
When do they say it? Now? At the time of writing?
How many people think it? How many is some?
What kind of people think it? Where are they?
What kind of bias might they have?
Why is this of any significance?

Weasel words do not really give a neutral point of view; they just spread hearsay, or couch personal opinion in vague, indirect syntax. It is better to put a name to an opinion than it is to assign it to an anonymous or vague-to-the-point-of-being-meaningless source. warrior 4321 20:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to "Reviewers consider it to be fast paced,[4] humorous, full of action,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love.[5]" if that is ok. Pmlineditor ∞ 08:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Plot

The plot section is too long compared to the other sections.
Fixed Shortened to 342 words. Airplaneman ^talk 22:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Image looks good. Try adding alt text.
Fixed Added "Percy, Clarisse, and Annabeth escaping Polyphemus" Airplaneman ^talk 22:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Kronos is a wikilink to a disambiguation page.
Fixed Pmlineditor^Talk 08:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Percy in infobox is a disambiguation link
Fixed Airplaneman ^talk 02:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

Reference 6 is dead.
Fixed Pmlineditor^Talk 08:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why is reference 8 a reliable source?
Official website of the Mark Twain Awards. Pmlineditor ∞ 12:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is rickriordan a RS? It is used for all of the awards, might be better to use other references.
Re below.
Sequel section has no references
Read WP:MOSFICTION. Plots don't need cites, however, I'll try to do that.
Fixed Pmlineditor ∞ 12:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Refs lack details, e.g. ref 3 - no idea what it is, by looking at the ref, '"The Sea of Monsters". Retrieved 2009-09-20." - what is it? a book, a mag, a website? who wrote it? when? etc
Fixed Pmlineditor ∞ 08:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
more independent sources would be good. the criticism they've used has B&N and Amazon; both of those are not independent sources. Maybe you can find some reviews in newspapers and stuff?
I'll try but you'll see that sources available for this book are pretty few. The majority of sources that are offline aren't available here. Nevertheless, I'll try and look for sources.
The only reference used for the awards is the author's website. Provide more reliable sources for all the awards.
Doing... Pmlineditor ∞ 12:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done - looks like he's done! :) Airplaneman ^talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Single sentences

There are a few sentences that are composed of one or two lines only. Please expand these sentences or remove the sentences.
Which section, which part? I'll try to do this on the entire article though. Pmlineditor ∞ 05:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see, although some ideas are not worth combining. I'll see what I can do. Airplaneman ^talk 21:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed Pmlineditor ∞ 08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Audiobook

who is "Jesse Bernstein"? Any more info on that?
Neither important nor notable.
According to the imbd, he's an actor. He doesn't currently have a wiki article, but I don't see why we can't include it. He read The Lightning Thief's audiobook, too, as mentioned in the article. Airplaneman ^talk 02:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So, can we get some information about him then? warrior 4321 05:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FixedAirplaneman ^talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitals

"Awards and Nominations" shouldn't be cap-N
Fixed Airplaneman ^talk 02:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Characters

Why are they in bold?
They are in bold in order to better distinguish their names from the rest of the text. I don't think the use of it is excessive. What is your take? Airplaneman ^talk 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a Wikipedia standard to use ”'bold”' in this manner; in fact, it would be preferable to rewrite this section in prose-format, rather than as a list. See MOS:BOLD. warrior 4321 03:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. It is a listing of the main characters with brief descriptions of each and their role played in the book. Rewriting the section in prose would defeat the section's purpose, which is to list the main characters. Maybe they could be italicized? (I'd have to change the format in The Lightning Thief too then so they match ;)). Airplaneman ^talk 19:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I was talking about when I meant "prose-format". warrior 4321 22:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed - Ah, ok. I'll go around to the other articles and do the same! Airplaneman ^talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks a bit choppy, no? Airplaneman ^talk 21:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can more information be added about each? warrior 4321 22:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Pmlineditor ∞ 08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Sequel to the lightning thief not mentioned in lead
He is thirteen years old, not mentioned in lead
The lead is not an adequate summary
Lots of stuff mentioned in lead not mentioned in article
Looks like the stuff is Fixed Airplaneman ^talk 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, but what about the audiobook and the next sequel? warrior 4321 02:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's the stuff. Will fix soon! Airplaneman ^talk 00:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Airplaneman ^talk 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll finish fixing by the weekend. Pmlineditor ∞ 16:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything has been done. :) Pmlineditor ∞ 08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Passed warrior 4321 23:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protect?[edit]

Lots of Vandalism Lately should we do it? Winner 42 (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected for a bit. Airplaneman ✈ 03:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Prophecy[edit]

As this is an Encyclopedia, I think this poem should be explained. I do not have a clue what it is supposed to mean, as I have not read the book. --Murata (talk) 01:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Release date?[edit]

Noticed the release date was recently changed from April 2, 2006 to April 5 by an IP. Anybody know which is correct? Can't seem to find any more than "April 2006" on any official sites. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Kirkus source I found in the article says April 1. I am a little bit skeptical of all of those dates, because book release day is Tuesday by tradition. But we go with what the sources say. If there are more that disagree, we should just use "April 2006". Elizium23 (talk) 00:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fair, thanks. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 02:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in The Sea of Monsters[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Sea of Monsters's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "audio":

From The Hammer of Thor: The Hammer of Thor. Amazon. Archived from the original on January 7, 2018. Retrieved October 23, 2017. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
From The Burning Maze: "The Burning Maze".
From The Red Pyramid: "THE RED PYRAMID by Rick Riordan Read by Kevin R Free Katherine Kellgren - Audiobook Review - AudioFile Magazine". Archived from the original on December 1, 2017.

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