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The Tree[edit]

The current wiki article states: "In general the tree means life, but, in this case, it has the same function as the rest of the elements in the picture: to impress anxiety and, in a certain way, terror, although it is likely that it was conceived as a functional element on which to drape one of the watches." It later states: "He went back to the unfinished he had been working on, which had a plain landscape with rocky cliffs in the background and a tree on a platform."

The issue here is that the first part states that the tree was created as a place to hang the clocks, while the second part states that he had painted the tree previously (at the same time as the landscape). The reason this is an issue is because Dali had no intention of painting the clocks at the time he painted the landscape (as the article states) so he could not have possibly created the tree to serve this purpose. Essentially the article must clear up whether the tree was painted before or after the cheese incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T3hg33k595 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Location[edit]

Is the work in the Dali Museum in St. Petersburg or in MOMA in NYC? The article says NYC at the top and St. Petersburg at the bottom. The photo caption suggests NYC (unless this only indicates that the image is courtesy MOMA, perhaps). At any rate, something for someone more knowledgable about this than myself to look into and fix. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ALC Washington (talk • contribs) 20:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the article correctly says that the subject painting is in MOMA, and notes the existence of another painting by the same artist called "Disintegration of the Persistence of Memory" in St. Petersberg FL. -- Infrogmation 03:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, right you are. I must not have read closely enough. My mistake! ALC Washington 03:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen it in NYC as recent at 2005. It will remain there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gatesofawesome! (talk • contribs) 20:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

At present (August 07) it is on display at the Tate Gallery in London. 69.178.93.97 17:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's owned by the MoMA and it is on display there. (May 2009) Zweifel (talk) 02:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The head(?)[edit]

i'm studying Dali's the persistence of memory and i was wondering if anyone knows what the distorted head under one of the clocks mean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.165.193.91 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

According to Gardner's Art Through the Ages, it is a "creature" based on a figure from the center panel of Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights Theshibboleth 23:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I heard that it is a deflated version of Dali's own head —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.70.183 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Dali knew of a rock formation which conformed generally to this shape, which he used in several paintings, since it resembles a face balanced on its nose. It can be seen for example in "The Enigma Of Desire" (1929) and "The Great Masturbator" (1929), and this is but another use of the same motif. If memory serves me right, a photograph of the rock is printed in Dawn Ades' book on Dali.

I always thought it looked like a platypus. 76.126.15.78 (talk) 20:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General Editing[edit]

If you see any edits by the IP 166.109.0.118, please revert to the older version. This individual deleted the trivia section and judging from his/her other "contributions", does nothing but trivial, unproductive edits to articles, making it difficult for everyone else. Thanks. -- Ubiq 06:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The metaphor about the clocks being like cloth was innacurate, Dali got the idea eating runny cheese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gatesofawesome! (talk • contribs) 20:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Section titles[edit]

The title I gave to the first section is HORRIBLE. Please help me come up with something. I wanted to turn this from one long section into multiple ones. Give each section context sort of.. I tried I guess. haha Lsjzl 22:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Most famous'?[edit]

Should this really claim without qualification this was Dali's most famous painting? Seems far from clear to me - he did lots of famous paintings. Ben Finn 22:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Care to name a few?RSido 05:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why the link?[edit]

I didn't want to just remove it - but why the link to an article on entropy? I don't see the relevance except very tenuously. Should it go?

I think it should definitely be removed. As should the external links to the maths book (Homotopic Topology) --Mozzy66 (talk) 09:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Visual Pun[edit]

hey i know its not right how i am typing here but It was also in star trek the one where 7 of 9 goes to the past might want to talk about it on the page thanks

—Pardon my ignorance as I am only an observer, I came to the conclusion once upon a time (I don't remember when exactly) that this painting in particular and the DaDa, Avant Garde and Surrealistic art movements in general are based on equivocations of ALL artistic expressions, whether it be visual, verbal or musical. I came to the term "visual pun" for expressions of this kind and in particular this painting. Let me explain, "The persistence of memory" shows time distorted by memory or is it memory distorting time or does memory distort with time or over time? In the picture, the passing of time begins with the somewhat distorted clock on the "face" (another pun, the face of a clock on a face) and then moving CW, the clock becomes more distorted while time moves backwards.The closed eyelid on the "face" signifies rest or death. Taken as a whole this state of being (asleep or dead) is impervious to the penetrations of time. Time then becomes a conscious construct imposed on a "surreal (dreamlike) landscape". In the realm of verbal, check out the song "Endless Not" on Throbbing Gristle's 2007 release "Part II". Musically speaking, check out John Cage's 4'33". In photography, take a look at Cosey Fanni Tutti's "Lip Service" (be warned it is explicit!). The etymology of "pun" is from It. puntiglio meaning equivocation or trivial objection. More to the point, I invite your comments.VALIS-node-dka 20:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)VALIS-node-dka[reply]

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Camemebert?[edit]

why isn't this stuff (Camembert (cheese)#Camembert_and_Salvador_Dal.C3.AD) mentioned here?— JediRogue (talk)

Figure in the middle[edit]

See The Great Masturbator v_atekor (talk) 09:59, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Theory of relativity[edit]

The first paragraph of the analysis seems to suggest that the terminology of "time and space" originates from Dawn, but it seems to come from "Conquest of the irrational. New York, J. Levy, 1935." I found this source in James Thrall Soby's book on Dali while writing an essay. Here is also a link to the source on internet archive https://archive.org/stream/DaliConquestIrrational/412994-Dali_ReducedPDF_djvu.txt Interestingly, this mentions both time and space AND camembert cheese. 192.54.243.243 (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]