Talk:The Hill School/Archive 1

Upgrading

Upgrading to High importance. This article is severely lacking references per Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources. Please reference the entire article: Infobox, History, School motto, and School traditions are totally unreferenced and the other sections including Notable alumni need far more citations.

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"Notable Alumni"

I removed the following entries from the Notable Alumni listing. Taylor Binder '99. President of Helios Lighting Solutions, Soccer standout Adam Rominger '96. Modern Renaissance man, Mortgage Professional No offense meant for Mr Binder or Mr Rominger, but some minor research on either of these two gentlemen turned up nothing "notable" about them or their companies. Wikipedia is not intended to be used as an alumni or business directory. If the person(s) who added these two gentlemen to the listing would do so, please indicate here how these two are "notable". Thx. SpikeJones 00:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Who is "Nick Dale '56. Vietnam Vet, earned several medals that were lost when the US department of records burned down."? Is the comment about the Dept of Recs burning down his only claim to fame? SpikeJones 19:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

So being a decorated Vietnam Vet means nothing? What kind of a snobby comment is that? Would Oliver Stone agree with that? (UNSIGNED COMMENT MADE ON 16:23, 6 June 2006 BY 12.206.149.227 )

The question was who is Nick Dale '56, and why should he be considered "Notable Alumni"? The reason stated of "Vietnam Vet etc" without any other traceable or identifiable claim to fame sounds more of self-promotion, which is against Wikipedia policy (as is using Wikipedia as a listing of all Alumni, which is why there are restrictions on who gets listed). If you know Nick Dale and can provide more information about how he is notable, that would be swell. SpikeJones 20:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Spike. Though I have enormous respect for Vietnam veterans, especially decorated ones, here on Wikipedia, there are still certain guidelines which we must abide by as to who qualifies as a "notable" individual. In a nutshell, in order for someone's name to appear on this page's list of notable alumni, there needs to be some external third-party source which confirms their notability, and that they are "encyclopedic." Has Dale been written up in any magazines or newspapers? Been profiled in a book? Feel free to review the policies for yourself, at Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability. And if you have questions, please feel free to ask! --Elonka 01:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I have reinstated Mr. Chan in the notable alumni list. (No reason was given for his removal by the previous editor.) As a member of Hong Kong’s Executive Council and a deputy to the National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China, Mr. Chan is one of Hong Kong’s most influential politicians. Combining this with his high profile in the business community, Mr. Chan qualifies as a notable alumnus of The Hill School. Not surprisingly, he is also listed among the top 50 notable alumni by his alma mater, Pomona College. Nancyhmarshall (talk) 00:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Private HS article makes it to FA status

I would just note that the Hopkins School just made it to featured article status. We might want to read it over for ideas on how to improve the Hill article.

Nickname vs. Mascot

I think some clarification should be made here. The nickname for all of the sports teams (including the football team) is the Blues. The actual costumed mascot is a Ram. (I agree--I never heard the term "rams" for the football team)'

Also, is there a source that the Ram mascot is named Winston? Torra325 18:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

name of article

I'd like to suggest that this article should be moved (back) to "Hill School", rather than "The Hill School". While I understand that the school's official name may include the the, Wikipedia's naming conventions make it pretty clear that the should generally be avoided in the names of articles of educational institutions:

A definite article should be applied only if The is used in running text throughout university materials and' if that usage has caught on elsewhere. This guideline is a weak version of the most-common-name rule.

Since one would not reasonably write, "John graduated from The Hill School in 1906", but rather, "John graduated from the Hill School in 1906", there's no cause to include the The in this case. See, for example, The New York Times usage here and here. Thoughts? Esrever ^(klaT) 14:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

People actually do write that they graduated from The Hill School, just as they write that they graduated from Cornell University (dropping "the" from the sentence entirely before the name of the school). Again, I point you to current usage of "The" as an allowed WP title lead used on The Beatles and The New York Times. If you can move those articles first, then please come back here to discuss changing this one. SpikeJones (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

If I may extrapolate liberally from some of the points at Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, the existence of other things doesn't justify the existence of this one. Besides, the rule in article names is about the most common usage; can you cite some instances in a few reliable sources that indicate that one would normally capitalize the in "The Hill School" in running text? If so, I'm happy to drop this argument. Esrever ^(klaT) 14:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The existence of other things certainly does justify the existence of this one, as you are claiming that "the" should never be used at the beginning of a WP article name. My claim is that it IS allowed when "The" is an official part of the item's name. Here are newspaper quotes using "The Hill School" in the middle of sentences, as requested:ref1 ref2, and here is a ref from The Hill School's website (of which, I'm sure you've discovered, uses "The" as a matter of course. ref3. Here's one from the Washington Postref4.

And by the way, your WP:WAX item doesn't apply, as we're not talking about deleting the page at all. You meant to talk about WP naming conventions, in which case Naming Conventions School Names supports the use of "The" in this case, as I pointed out above.SpikeJones (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You've misunderstood the points I was trying to make. I'm not saying that no article should have as the first word in its title The. Heck, I'm not even claiming that no school article should. I'm just claiming that Wikipedia's naming conventions specifically address the issue of omitting The as the first word in the names of most articles on schools, whether it's the "official" name or not. That being said, I'll concede the point on "The Hill School", which seems to have at least achieved some measure of use among reliable secondary sources. Cheers! Esrever ^(klaT) 17:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I knew where you were coming from; your edit summary said remove "the" from article title per Wikipedia's naming conventions. I'm merely pointing out that the naming convention I linked to above speficially addresses the "The" usage in school names. While WP editors suggest "be bold" while making some edits, this may have been a case where either a little research or request on the talk page may have been a better course of action. In the end, no harm no foul - keep up the good work with the other edits that you've been busy making. SpikeJones (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable alumni

Notable alumni without references need to be cited, especially for living persons (WP:LIVE), but also under (WP:WPSCH) which needs alumni and notability proof. It'd be great if someone with knowledge could help fill these in so appropriate alumni do not get removed. -- Lucas20 (talk) 02:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

A large number of the notable alumni are clearly NOT notable and others are almost certainly made up.Theroadislong (talk) 20:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

References.

All School information in the infobox can be found at: http://www.thehill.org/RelId/638966/ISvars/default/FAQs_about_The_Hill_School.htm

All information on school traditions can also be found at: http://www.thehill.org/RelId/619326/ISvars/default/Hill_traditions.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by HillSchoolWik (talk • contribs) 19:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)