Talk:The Fall of Hyperion (novel)

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Incorrect Link[edit]

Fixed the link to the following book, Endymion. The previous one led to Benjamin Disraeli's novel of the same name, rather than the Simmons book.--Werthead 14:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

I've removed the multiple-edition listings from the infobox - infobox info should pertain only to the first edition printing of a book. Subsequent edition information belongs in a "Release details" section toward the end of the article. The info I've removed can still be found through the page history if anyone is curious. -- Antepenultimate 21:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Things that need to be done[edit]

Finish the Plot Summary: This is especially important because the point at which the summary ends (Kassad's initial charge against the Shrike) could concievebly be interpreted as the end of the book, so it is not clear that the plot summary cuts short.
Perhaps continue the character summaries with the changes in the characters from Hyperion

And probably some more stuff. I will try and work on this, but I have never been good at plot summaries, so if another fan of the book can help, that would be great. Gundato 22:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A plot summary should really be just what the name implies; a summary. This plot summary is already too long. It needs to be more concise. Jonneroo (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A few paragraphs is a summary of a multi-hundred page book. --Gwern (contribs) 04:01 4 March 2008 (GMT)

I agree with Gwern, the summary isn't overly long, it is a long book and the story isn't trivial -- it is quite complex. Corge —Preceding unsigned comment added by Posix memalign (talk • contribs) 14:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the best way to handle this summary would be to divide it by characters, instead of chronologically. After all,chrono-logistics & chronologics (if you'll forgive my twisting of a word) break down in this book, as we must contend with Void Which Binds and reverse flow temporal perception. Devon.underwood (talk) 08:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It still needs to be finished, though. Over a year since the above conversation was started, the plot summary is still only half done. I am reading the book now, and will try and finish the plot summary once I've finsihed the book (probably in a 2-3 weeks from now). I'll write it all up first, then I'll remove extraneous material after that's all done.122.106.160.244 (talk) 05:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to do some cleaning up of the article, mostly spelling and grammar errors. I've also added some clarification on some of the terms. As I've recently finished the book, I'll try to compact the summary as well. Raere (talk) 11:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Plot issues[edit]

The part that says: " There are factions inside the TechnoCore that want to see The Hegemony disappear, because it has become too cruel." is totally not true, part of the TechnoCore simply think that humanity is not useful for the development of the Final Intelligence and so is useless and dangerous to still coexist with humans. This part of the TechnoCore is the one who talked the whole TechnoCore in the "destruction" of the OldEarth and since then they were against cooperation with humanity, long before the cruelties of the Hegemony or the existence of the Hegemony itself.

The part that says

All Thing - a real-time participatory democracy, much like a web forum, which is enabled by the TechnoCore's datasphere

is in open contradiction with the part that says

It is basically a dictatorship run by a group of elected officials.

Apart from the open contradiction, i think that from the books we have no real knowledge of the true political form of the Hegemony. We don't know about the power balances between the "AllThing" and the senate and the real grade of "democracy" in the Web.

The part that says: "No world is permitted to leave the Hegemony and many worlds were inadvertently forced into the Hegemony " needs citation, and this part: "The water planet of Maui Covenant is an example of this. The population did not want to be part of the Hegemony, but whoever resisted were slaughtered by the military forces of the Hegemony and the planet ecology was fundamentally destroyed, so that the Hegemony worlds could exploit the planet's resources" is not correct iirc; only a fraction of the inhabitants of Maui Covenant is spoken of as "separatists".

93.32.224.186 (talk) 10:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pop culture[edit]

Turns out that The Fall of Hyperion has a cameo in the first The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya light novel with Yuki Nagato reading it. Worth mentioning? --Gwern (contribs) 03:26 9 October 2010 (GMT)

Any good references? If so probably yes, if not then no.Sadads (talk) 12:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the first one at least has been released in English: List_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_light_novels#Volume_list. Good enough ref for me. --Gwern (contribs) 14:03 9 October 2010 (GMT)

THIS PLOT SUMMARY IS WAY TOO DETAILED[edit]

That's it -- wayyyyy too detailed. Needs to be cut down 75-80% 5/28/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.40.105 (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance in tv and movies[edit]

Other than in Haruhi Suzumiya books, TV series and movie, has this actual book played a major bit in the plot for other media? Hcobb (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Major restructuring[edit]

Starting tomorrow, I'll be splitting up the Plot Summary into two separate sections: Keats' narration of the pilgrims and his own experiences, plus those of Gladstone and the other Hegemony characters. dci | TALK 02:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]