Talk:The Eras Tour

"Associated albums" list in infobox

Opening up a discussion here, as I think it is beneficial to list the specific associated albums in the infobox, even if it is under a collapsible list. Easier for readers since this information can be written here, instead of leading the reader to a separate article. (lists displayed are only expanded by default here for visualisation purposes)

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The Eras Tour Associated albums Various Taylor Swift Fearless (Taylor's Version) Speak Now (Taylor's Version) Red (Taylor's Version) 1989 (Taylor's Version) Reputation Lover Folklore Evermore Midnights	The Eras Tour Associated albums Various Taylor Swift Fearless / Fearless (Taylor's Version) Speak Now / Speak Now (Taylor's Version) Red / Red (Taylor's Version) 1989 / 1989 (Taylor's Version) Reputation Lover Folklore Evermore Midnights

It might be disputable if Taylor Swift should be included in this list — it is included in all promotional material, such as the poster and the concert film trailer, but its songs are not included in the set list, and have only been performed as surprise songs on selected shows. Also, including the original versions of Fearless, Speak Now, Red and 1989 is probably unnecessary — it could be assumed that the Taylor's Versions are the only versions of the album that are promoted, even if it was not initially released when the tour began.

(notifying @Ippantekina: for discussion purposes!) Theknine2 (talk) 05:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

"it could be assumed" is WP:OR. I prefer "Various" because debut also got some songs for some nights, and the murky distinction between "Taylor's Version" and the original should not be there as it could confuse some readers. The bolded acts in the "Concert synopsis" section and the "Set list" section should suffice. Ippantekina (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Every album that Taylor has re-recorded replaces the original version. This is a known fact.

"I will always be proud of my past work. But for a healthier option, Lover will be out August 23." — in context to Lover being the first album which she owns the masters of.

The Taylor's Versions of Speak Now and 1989 were announced at the tour, and All Too Well (10 Minute Version) from Red (Taylor's Version) is included in the Red act. Many "From the Vault" tracks from Taylor's Versions are also regularly performed as surprise songs.

However, I do agree with you that Taylor Swift placed in the list. Theknine2 (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate what you did at the article but I'd like a consensus to be reached. The discrepancy between the OG/Taylor's Version is still there, and I believe "Various" was the status quo, which we should stick to unless we receive third-person opinions.

Yes I'm aware Lover is the first album master that Swift owns (I'm a Swiftie, cmon now) but what about Reputation whose Taylor's Version has not been released? Do you plan to change it to Reputation (Taylor's Version) potentially in the future? That's the key problem with the album list. Ippantekina (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Ippantekina. Per WP:STATUSQUO, we should stick to "Various". HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

If Reputation (Taylor’s Version) was announced during the tour, then it could be considered a supporting album. But I do agree with your rationale, since it can be a source of confusion. Theknine2 (talk) 21:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, until Reputation (Taylor's Version) gets announced during the tour, WP:CRYSTAL should be kept in mind. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Concert synopsis section

The show in Paris tonight had a significantly different layout and setlist, with Folklore and Evermore being merged, and songs from the new album being played. I'd suggest this section needs to be made clear that it refers to the earlier part of the tour, and a new section being constructed for the new set. Much of the rest of the article may need to be modified as well. Black Kite (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

New Paris Setlist

We should include the setlist from May 9, 2024 Paris to represent the Eras Tour from May 2024 onward. It is common in articles to have multiple setlists if, at some point, an artist changes the setlist super drastically during the tour. Harryh2112 (talk) 02:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Alteration of the old setlist + Addition of the new setlist

BEFORE

Act I – Lover

1. "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
2. "Cruel Summer"
3. "The Man"
4. "You Need to Calm Down"
5. "Lover"
6. "The Archer"

Act II – Fearless

7. "Fearless"
8. "You Belong with Me"
9. "Love Story"

Act III – Evermore

10. "'Tis the Damn Season"
11. "Willow"
12. "Marjorie"
13. "Champagne Problems"
14. "Tolerate It"

Act IV – Reputation

15. "...Ready for It?"
16. "Delicate"
17. "Don't Blame Me"
18. "Look What You Made Me Do"

Act V – Speak Now

19. "Enchanted"

Act VI – Red

20. "22"
21. "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
22. "I Knew You Were Trouble"
23. "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"

Act VII – Folklore

24. "Invisible String"
25. "Betty"
26. "The Last Great American Dynasty"
27. "August"
28. "Illicit Affairs"
29. "My Tears Ricochet"
30. "Cardigan"

Act VIII – 1989

31. "Style"
32. "Blank Space"
33. "Shake It Off"
34. "Wildest Dreams"
35. "Bad Blood"

Act IX – Acoustic set

36. Guitar surprise song
37. Piano surprise song

Act X – Midnights

38. "Lavender Haze"
39. "Anti-Hero"
40. "Midnight Rain"
41. "Vigilante Shit"
42. "Bejeweled"
43. "Mastermind"
44. "Karma"

AFTER

March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024

Act I – Lover

1. "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
2. "Cruel Summer"
3. "The Man"
4. "You Need to Calm Down"
5. "Lover"
6. "The Archer"

Act II – Fearless

7. "Fearless"
8. "You Belong with Me"
9. "Love Story"

Act III – Evermore

10. "'Tis the Damn Season"
11. "Willow"
12. "Marjorie"
13. "Champagne Problems"
14. "Tolerate It"

Act IV – Reputation

15. "...Ready for It?"
16. "Delicate"
17. "Don't Blame Me"
18. "Look What You Made Me Do"

Act V – Speak Now

19. "Enchanted"
20. "Long Live"

Act VI – Red

21. "22"
22. "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
23. "I Knew You Were Trouble"
24. "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"

Act VII – Folklore

25. "The 1"
26. "Betty"
27. "The Last Great American Dynasty"
28. "August"
29. "Illicit Affairs"
30. "My Tears Ricochet"
31. "Cardigan"

Act VIII – 1989

32. "Style"
33. "Blank Space"
34. "Shake It Off"
35. "Wildest Dreams"
36. "Bad Blood"

Act IX – Acoustic set

37. Guitar surprise song
38. Piano surprise song

Act X – Midnights

39. "Lavender Haze"
40. "Anti-Hero"
41. "Midnight Rain"
42. "Vigilante Shit"
43. "Bejeweled"
44. "Mastermind"
45. "Karma"

May 9, 2024 onwards

Act I – Lover

1. "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
2. "Cruel Summer"
3. "The Man"
4. "You Need to Calm Down"
5. "Lover"

Act II – Fearless

6. "Fearless"
7. "You Belong with Me"
8. "Love Story"

Act III – Red

9. "22"
10. "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
11. "I Knew You Were Trouble"
12. "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"

Act IV – Speak Now

13. "Enchanted"

Act V – Reputation

14. "...Ready for It?"
15. "Delicate"
16. "Don't Blame Me"
17. "Look What You Made Me Do"

Act VI – Folklore + Evermore

18. "Cardigan"
19. "Betty"
20. "Champagne Problems"
21. "August"
22. "Illicit Affairs"
23. "My Tears Ricochet"
24. "Marjorie"
25. "Willow"

Act VII – 1989

26. "Style"
27. "Blank Space"
28. "Shake It Off"
29. "Wildest Dreams"
30. "Bad Blood"

Act VIII – The Tortured Poets Department

31. "But Daddy I Love Him"
32. "So High School"
33. "Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me"
34. "Down Bad"
35. "Fortnight"
36. "The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived"
37. "I Can Do It With a Broken Heart"

Act IX – Acoustic set

38. Guitar surprise song
39. Piano surprise song

Act X – Midnights

40. "Lavender Haze"
41. "Anti-Hero"
42. "Midnight Rain"
43. "Vigilante Shit"
44. "Bejeweled"
45. "Mastermind"
46. "Karma"

EXPLANATION

The initial setlist (March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024) should be updated to include "Long Live" and "The 1" (instead of Invisible String), because the majority of the tour dates in this time period includes these songs. The information provided should encompass what was performed in the majority of the dates, not the list of songs performed on the first date, which encompasses only a minority of the dates.

I think this change is necessary because many people read the list at first glance without reading the extra information provided, and they may even quote it. They would get misled into thinking that the very first setlist reflects what was performed in the majority of this time period, and may spread this misinformation to others as well.

The information regarding this in the section below can be altered to reflect these changes:

"Invisible String" was performed instead of "The 1" prior to the Arlington shows, as well as second Nashville show, where Swift performed "Invisible String" in honor of the bench at Centennial Park dedicated to her.

"Long Live" was not performed prior to the Kansas City shows. It was added after "Enchanted" as part of the Speak Now act after the release of Speak Now (Taylor's Version), starting with the aforementioned shows.

Additionally, the setlist has changed significantly from the "March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024" period to the "May 9, 2024 onwards" period. Thus, both setlists need to be put down. If there are any future changes in the "May 9, 2024 onwards" period, I strongly recommend that the setlist be altered to reflect the changes if it ends up becoming the setlist for the majority of the time period.

HaxorusNow (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the Kansas City-Singapore set list would be appropriate for this section. "Invisible String" was only performed in four shows, and that iteration of the Eras Tour was also "immortalised" in full via the Disney+ version of the film, hence it would be the most recognised iteration of the March 2023-March 2024 set list. Theknine2 (talk) 05:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Tour revamp

Since the Eras Tour has had a major revamp following the addition of TTPD, there are elements of the article should be split into two versions (pre-TTPD and post-TTPD). Obvious examples would be the set list and concert synopsis, and maybe a sub-section for critical reception. I'm personally using The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour as a point of reference (cos im a fan lol), which had a revamp following the release of the Beyoncé album. Theknine2 (talk) 05:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)