Talk:The Edge

the edge with long hair

i didn't even know until approximately a month or two ago he had long hair when i watched the live aid set for the first time.

this begs the question: why isn't there at least one picture with this look?

i like his live aid look the best and think it should be on the page https://static.u2start.com/photos/13320-1285089219-size3.jpg

he looks good.

here comes @Y2kcrazyjoker4: again, abusing his pseudo-authority on U2 pages. would you like to take this to dispute resolution or ANI, you lifer?

the license is valid. wikipedia is NON-COMMERCIAL. thus, it is allowed. who do you think you are? you have been warned many times, but you seem to not get the idea.

I have never seen a valid non-free fair use rationale that boils down to "we don't have a picture of this person with long hair, we should have one". I think it's a substantial overreach to try to claim we need to use a non-free image of someone for whom literally hundreds of free images are available because the encyclopedia needs an image of them with a certain hairstyle. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

i have created a file for discussion page. i suspect if there was any controversy over whether this image should be uploaded, it would have been deleted by now. you claim there are hundreds of images with the Edge, presumably some of those would have his pre joshua-tree look would they not? yet, the material is extremely scarce. i encourage you, a U2 lifer, to find another image if you claim the license isn't valid. i am well-aware it's a Getty image and people don't like that, but the idea of depicting an artist after the band's first ten years is a little wrong. there should be at least one picture to show how he looked. i am in my early 30s and i didn't know he even had long hair. fans deserve to see the evolution of the musician, visually or artistically.

like look at the "The+edge"+long+hair+u2 google search for "the edge u2 long hair" (no quotes). it freakin shows Number Two. like, it's hard to find these images. again, you're the lifer surely you have access to some pictures of him with long hair that may be from a less-controversial source. my view is, if the upload survives files for discussion, then it should stay.

I have removed the image because it is a glaring violation of the policy on use of Non-free images. A non-free images of a living person violates policy, and in this case, there are plenty of freely licensed images of The Edge readily available. As an administrator, I will not allow any policy-violating non free images in this article now that I am aware of this situation. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

i understand. is this due to the image being from getty? does wikipedia not satisfy the non-commercial clause of the royalty-free license @Cullen:?

The fact that the image is from Getty just makes the case against the image stronger because they are in the business of licensing photos for money, but the case is ironclad without the Getty factor. The main factor is that the image is non-free, and non-free images of living people violate policy, and that is especially true when freely licensed images are readily available. Wikipedia content can and often is re-used for commercial purposes, and that is perfectly legitimate with attribution. So, it is incorrect to think of Wikipedia content as non-commercial. I am perfectly free to sell copies of our conversation, for example, if anyone is willing to pay for it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

isn't there a way to allow non-free pictures of living people with permission limited to wikipedia? it's a little obtuse that a copyright holder cannot allow a non-free image license exclusive to wikipedia, which would ensure that anyone who dared to reproduce it for commercial purposes would still be held accountable. there must be some compromise that can be reached. for example, if i held such a copyright i too would forbid use on wikipedia if that meant people *must* be allowed to reproduce it for whatever purposes outside of it. doesn't seem right

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LADDIES. THANKS AGAIN TO DR HANS ARNE NAKREM. look at the cool factor {{Ping|Cullen328}. like, it's by far the coolest photo on the page. @Y2kcrazyjoker4: is going to have a tough time one-upping it. and i know he sits and looks at all of the u2 pages rubbing his chin, thinking about how can "tweak" and improve them. WELL NOT TODAY JOKER, NOT TODAY.

No, the mission is not accomplished. Only Nakrem can provide the license to Commons, not you. I have removed the photo. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

what do you mean, he has to upload to wikimedia commons himself? can't i just show the email to show his approval? why are you making him register to upload it, that's silly.

all that's required is evidence he allowed the photo be uploaded under CC-3.0. and i have the email to prove that. so what do you want me to do? upload the email? or what? asking him to register and upload it is not a fair thing and you're moving the goalposts. maybe i can ask him to engage in conversation on wikipedia as an IP but i'm not sure if that's even required.

Silly? Far from it. Accepting the word of a random stranger on the internet that they had permission from someone else entirely to licence their image? That would be silly. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

the image isn't on the internet, as far as i'm aware. i think an easy google image search would reveal that. i have the emails that show clear and unequivocal consent. attaching that document to the upload is tacky and ugly. i've CC"d dr nakrem in my email to commons-release@ and also included the PDF of our correspondence where he agrees to the release, just to have all things in order. WHAT A PICTURE

Bell-like sounds + 1 U2 Biographer & Lillywhite quoted comparing that to guitarist John McKay

That edit [1] for some dubious reasons was reverted by an user who is always the same person, controlling all u2 related articles on wikipedia. Discussion here first; there isn't any reason to withdraw facts supported by two very reliable sources. Iennes (talk) 03:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Y2kcrazyjoker4: - stop reverting. Iennes (talk) 04:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

First of all, neither of those things are "facts", they are the subjective opinions of people, so make sure they are treated as such when adding that info. Secondly, the information you are adding is not particularly well written or well integrated into the section you are adding it to. Rather, it's haphazardly tacked onto the end of a paragraph. Third, the amount of detail about the song "I Will Follow" being added is excessive when the section itself is speaking more broadly about the Edge's playing style, rather than being about individual guitarist inspirations for specific U2 songs (and the inspiration is not attributed to the Edge himself but rather someone else who is giving their opinion). Put it in the "I Will Follow" article, not here. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 12:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Y2kcrazyjoker4, this isn't the first time you've been accused of ownership of U2-related articles. The addition is fine. Steve Lillywhite isn't just "someone" giving his opinion, he's a renowned producer; his (expert) opinions are perhaps therefore absolutely valid. Not sure why you'd think only the Edge is allowed to be cited in his own article, that's not how WP works. Please revert. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The information sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the section. Make an effort to actually write it in an encyclopedic way so it fits the rest of the section, or don't add it. It's that simple. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 14:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Stop acting like you WP:OWN U2-related articles - you don't. It's that simple. The additions are due, conform to guidelines and are reliably sourced. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Spelling: the Edge vs The Edge

Why is this name written with a lower-case "t"? If the "the" is part of the name, it should be written "The Edge", like "The Weeknd", right? If it's not, i.e. the name is just "Edge", the "the" should be dropped, like with Bono or Sting. 2A0A:A541:3177:0:AC33:C697:1A2C:C3C8 (talk) 08:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

See here: MOS:THEBAND. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 12:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

And MOS:NICKNAMETHE. Binksternet (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)