Talk:The Diary of Miss Idilia

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The story of Idilia Dubb is just fiction, created in Sweden just a few years ago. There exists no such diary of any Idilia Dubb.

Carl-Henrik Berg carl-henrik.berg@telia.com Sweden

this statement is wrong. this legend dates back much longer. it was published in a german newspaper in 1860. for a long time it was believed to be true. however a close examination of the diary found many historical inconsistencies.--Tresckow 15:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have just returned from a holiday in Germany during which I visited the castle Burg Lahneck. Whether or not the story of Idilia Dubb is accurate in every respect, newspapers of the 1860s certainly reported it. At Burg Lahneck copies of the newspaper stories are on display. Although I can read very little German I was certainly able to make out enough to attest to the fact that the story of Idilia Dubb originates from the 1860s (unless somebody has gone to the trouble of creating an extraordinarily elaborate hoax including mock ups of mid-nineteenth century German newspapers with smudgy gothic typeface, which is hardly credible.) Unless anybody objects I intend to delete the statement in the article that the story is fictitious, and to add more details as far as I am able to establish them.AlistairBerrill 21:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the story does appear to be an urban myth. Not everything printed in a 19th century provinvial paper is fact. The article should at least mention that the veracity of the stody is disputed. athinaios 11:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not the story itself is true, there does seem to be in existence a 19th century diary, supposedly by Idilia Dubb as she was dying in that tower, then 'found' (or created? I do not know) by one Genevieve Hill. It is to be published somewhere in 2009 or 2010 in the UK I do believe. Might be worth a reference? SV 16:12, 13 January 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.123.69.18 (talk)

See also http://bookssnob.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/the-diary-of-miss-idilia-by and the German WP --Historiograf (talk) 07:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The diary might be a hoax, but is the story of the way she died real?24.44.249.221 (talk) 00:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)captcrisis[reply]

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Historical Accuracy and Citations[edit]

I’ve made several edits to this page to resolve some of the issues:

Moving the article from ‘Idilia Dubb’ to ‘The diary of Miss Idilia’[edit]

There are no reliable secondary sources that relate to this person. For example:

Search of British Newspaper Archives October 2018 for ‘Idilia Dubb’ – no results
Search for Newspapers.com October 2018 for ‘Idilia Dubb’ – no results (this includes the Times, which one of the apparent German newspaper articles online claims to have reported to story).
Search for Google Books October 2018 for ‘Idilia Dubb’ – just brings up different language versions of the published ‘diary’
Google search brings up no reputable sources, just blogs, records of the books, and the Spectator review.

Idilia does not meet notable person requirements, and in the spirit of 'cover the event not the person', I have changed this article to about the book.

This book doesn’t really meet notability requirements, but this story seems so widespread I think there needs to be something on Wikipedia.

Removing the image of the ‘diary’[edit]

The source for this image was a dead/broken link, and there was not enough source information. I cannot track down any origin or this picture, or even confirm that the diary exists.

I work as a museum curator who often deals with Victorian handwriting, and the handwriting on the document in the photograph was suspiciously modern. I would be wary of using this without reliable source information.

Help needed with citations[edit]

Could someone please track down the following articles? This could verify how old the story is. These are listed on https://web.archive.org/web/20090723042834/http://de.geocities.com/Idilia_dubb/wochenblatt.html

Sunday 26 October, 1863 in the "Adenauer Kreis- und Wochenblatt" (No. 43)
Sunday, November 2, 1863 in the "Adenauer Kreis- und Wochenblatt" (No. 44)

OddElly311 (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]