Talk:The Debut (2000 film)

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Merge of Gene Cajayon[edit]

Cajayon has only released one film so far and there's no news of any upcoming projects (that I know of). Currently his bio is mostly about The Debut and its inspiration. Until he finishes another movie, I say merge. --Tinlinkin 10:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Dudeaga (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay this makes no sense. I, looking at this in 2017, can tell you I was linked to this from another article mentioning the film Romeo Must Die in the context that indicated he was the director. You may notice that is definitely not the same film as this one. Meaning, he has obviously made more than one film now - and that other film starred two rather famous individuals (Aaliyah, and Jet Li), so it itself is rather noteworthy (obviously, as it has its own article). He probably warrants a separate article now, surely?

And I understand how YEARS ago if he had only made the one film, not having a separate article for him yet, at the time...but completely redirecting it? That's ridiculous. It's so frustrating when this happens; somebody decides that something "shouldn't", at the time, be a separate article and instead of getting it properly deleted, they just...without much discussion...REDIRECT it. Do you know what this does? It means that it becomes ridiculously hard for the average low-level editor to ever create the article at a later date if and when the subject becomes more notable, or gains enough additional information of note regarding it, to warrant/make a proper article (because it makes the name at least seemingly inaccessible, unlike most Red Links - as far as I know I'd have to be an Admin or something to modify that). It also makes it really hard for most of us to look up older edits on the previous version of what used to be at that URL (since of course, it automatically shifts you to another page entirely - again, as far as I know this is requiring Admin level access or something to bypass, or at least considerably more coding/browser know-how than is normally required to edit Wikipedia).

In other words, it greatly hinders future editors in a frustrating and completely unnecessary fashion. Please, in the future, I beg of you - if you really, honest to goodness, think a subject is "not notable enough for its own article at this time", just go through normal article deletion process instead of creating a redirect? This whole "just make it a redirect" thing, it does very little good and has in several cases merely removed access to previous edit histories and made it incredibly difficult to recreate an article when the subject in the future actually warrants an article.

It's especially baffling as a practice, because if an article is simply deleted, rather than turned into a redirect, then the term that would normally form its name is, is it not, used as a search term in an automatic keyword search of the article archives, yes? As in, if you HAD NOT turned this into a redirect, but simply deleted the stub version that at the time repeated a lot of information, it would...have...gone to the article on the film anyway, because his name would be in that article? And then, when he directed Romeo Must Die, it would have also turned up that?

Really it was incredibly shortsighted to make it a redirect instead of just deleting it, if it was really so repetitive. I beg anybody thinking of doing something similar to PLEASE not do that in the future, because a lot of us just get really frustrated at an inability to do much or view histories. Stuff like this is half the reason I've become less and less active as an editor and contributes to the fact I continually find myself NOT using Wikipedia for what I used to use it for, that being a good overview of X, Y or Z topic (in this case, for example, my "overview of the topic" would be better served by leaving the site entirely and going over to IMDB, even though IMDB is not peer-reviewed or supposedly even close to as reliable as Wiki - normally!). I'm using this site less and less and wanting to helping out here less and less, because I keep getting frustrating issues like this blocking my ability to use or contribute to the Wiki. It needs to stop, or you're probably going to keep otherwise valuable users/contributors. 97.102.79.98 (talk) 04:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]