Talk:Survivor guilt

note[edit]

In rem, the history of survivors's guilt. It was my impression that survivor's guilt was identified during WWII among pilots and airmen (probably in the 8th Air Force and in naval air). The numbers of people afflicted were far too great for one-on-one talk therapy. It is my impression, that just as necessity gives birth to invention, group therapy was the response to this need. Would someone who knows confirm or deny my remarks and and edit the text accordingly.

En passant, i would like to say that DSM IV (1980)begs for more research on PTSD. In the late 1960's military psychiatrists referred to PTSD as a disorder of the killer. In broadening the definition of PTSD, the notion of "moral injury" was lost. More recent work with PTSD clients has resurrected the moral injury notion. If this is true, moral injury does not differ by degree from definitions of PTSD; it would be a discrete change in kind.

question[edit]

Is there a term for when you wish that instead you died instead of someone else, you wish that someone else had died instead of that person?

Anger that someone has died rather than some other person felt to be less worthy of survival or more worthy of death isn't odd. It's not exactly survivor guilt, though. It's anger, which is one of the stages of mourning. Survivor guilt is basically that anger turned inward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.201.160 (talk) 06:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal from talk page[edit]

I'm taking the liberty of removing a couple of posts here that basically Godwinned this talk page. If you want them, they're in page history. Rosuav (talk) 17:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge them[edit]

It has been suggested since October 2007 that Survivor guilt and Survivor syndrome be merged into this article or section.

The proposal is to merge

Survivor guilt (edit talk links history)
Survivor syndrome (edit talk links history)

THey are the exact same thing, and they would benefit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcollins52 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 23 December 2008.

discussion ported from Talk:survivor syndrome: which no one put together since the tags were hung without a common link page...

Wait.. where has a merge been suggested? I don't see it. 99.230.152.143 (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC) [reply]

I think merging would be a good idea. This is not a term used nowadays and is one of the many desciptive terms now covered by PTSD. Survivor guilt was a key symptom in the original diagnosis of PTSD in DSM III. I have, however also done an edit. Paddybw (talk) 01:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC) 19 May 2008 Paddybw.[reply]

+++Don't Merge+++ The fact that survivors syndrome is closely related to the historical period of post-world war 2 is the fact that it should not be merged. Survivors guilt mostly relates 2 anything that was survived. Survivors syndrome is more closely related to the concentration camps of hitler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.127.230 (talk) 01:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC) 66.57.127.230 (talk) 02:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Dewey[reply]

ported discussion ends

Concur, Merge — but should be undertaken by an expert knowledgeable in the field. This article (Survivor guilt) lacks cites and authority in any case. // FrankB 14:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, definitely. The specialist sense of the term in relation to WWII can have its own section within a merged article. Gonzonoir (talk) 15:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I agree with Gonzonoir. DBlomgren (talk) 03:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I agree--98.23.129.203 (talk) 15:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naruto entry in references.[edit]

It's a common shounen trope to use this to make heroes more sympathetic (or in fan terms, one of the defining characteristics of a 'woobie.') If no one is going to add ALL examples, or if no one is going to describe Naruto's inclusion in-depth to show how it is a concrete example, then I feel it serves no purpose and this mention should be removed. (It is also rarely explored to the depth necessary to categorize it as survivor's guilt in much of the medium. I am willing to bet for such a popular and low-brow series, they have not done so here either. I vote it be taken off.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.131.15.108 (talk) 06:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Popular culture section[edit]

It's huge and largely unsourced. It seems like people are just adding instances of where they think survivor's guilt applies to a TV show or movie they saw. Even if they're right, it should be sourced. MechaChrist (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC) I've taken the liberty to remove anything in the 'examples' section that was unsourced (most of it). If I was wrong in doing this, someone can revert my edit. MechaChrist (talk) 19:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandr Tvardovsky[edit]

Very elucidating. An example by Tvardovsky, in his poem “I know, that's not my guilt” (1966, the subject is the WW2): a loose, but word-by-word translation — "I know, that's not my guilt / that the others had not come from war, / that they — some older, some younger — / remained there; and, after all, the whole point is not that / I might, but could not save them; / the point is not that, but still, but still, but still…” Widely known in Russia. (Search Google for "Я знаю, никакой моей вины") - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 19:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Self-guilt[edit]

"when a person believes they have done something wrong by surviving a traumatic event when others did not, often feeling self-guilt."

Does anyone ever feel any other kind of guilt?

Paul Magnussen (talk) 16:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be a case of "where'd everybody go?"[edit]

Recall the feeling of loneliness when that happens? When you get in a survivor-guilt situation, you do know "where everyone went"; they are dead, while you continue to live. Carlm0404 (talk) 09:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]