Talk:Surrender (religion)

the article is a stub[edit]

This article needs expansion and further refinement, not enough scientific depth, gives religious notions and quotes from religious writings, inadequate definitions, police this for consistent NPOV please. --220.239.179.128 (talk) 05:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Several gurus teach their disciples...' It would be helpful if this article named even one of them - or discussed the idea at all. Please cite some refs. --Doc (?) 22:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I can do that if you give me some time with regards to Hinduism. I don't know enough about other religions. Andries 21:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article is yet very incomplete. The notion of surrender in other religions should also be discussed. I think there is a lot to be said in regards to Islam particularly, as the absolute surrender of one's will to God's will is the central tenet of Islam ('islam' actually means surrender!). It seems to me that surrender to Karma is also a very important thing in Buddhism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original Research?[edit]

There are many shades of definition when it comes to the concept of surrender in spirituality. The majority of this articles seems to be the opinion of someone with little knowledge of a history of religions and certainly no ability to reference credible (or even dubious) sources. The scriptural references are well cited, but done so in a manner that does not adequately explore the ramifications of the translation process nor the context of the citations. Unless this article can be re-written to conform to a more objective and academic exploration of this topic, I move for deletion. 65.30.180.228 (talk) 15:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.209.158 (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Come again?[edit]

"If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

First of all, I'm not sure how this particular quote relates to the notion of 'surrender'.

Secondly, I can't make sense of it. Jesus (who this is quoting) is apparently saying that if don't hate your father, mother, wife etc, you can't be my disciple. This might make sense as a quote from the Dark Side but a quote from Jesus would more likely be that if you DO hate your (list) you cannot be my disciple or if you don't hate your (list) you CAN be my disciple. Perhaps Christians can make some tangled sense of this but I believe that most visitors here would be as puzzled as I am.

I returned to read some more and have to agree with others here: that this is not a useful article yet. Apart from the focus on Christianity and Hinduism, few of the quotes provided relate to "Surrender". Surrender is a matter of giving up control, eg of one's choices and perhaps even complete freedom, or possessions. None of the text addresses this idea and most of the quotes demand only that the 'surrenderer' undertake some action, such as worship, or adopt an attitude, and do not clearly require surrender. The word 'submission' is very closely related and should be addressed also.

--174.7.56.10 (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]