Talk:Sun bear/GA1

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I'll take this one. Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 13:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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Helarctos malayanus skull

• The images are a bit 'here's a bear' ... 'here's another bear' ... 'here are 3 bears' (and btw they're in a zoo). I'm not sure, in a word, what function they serve. The first one works well enough for ID but all the caption needs to say is that it's a female. The 'u-shaped patch' image repeats the first; the 'excellent climbers' shows what a climber would call 'a walk'; the diet one is ok but should be cropped - maybe I'll do that; the Sabah, Malaysia one is a better image giving a feel for being in forest; and the 3 at the bottom do seem unnecessary really. Are no other images available (how about a skull, for instance?).

• Most images on Commons show bears in zoos. Rest are mainly museum specimens or illustrations (this one seems a bit like threat display [1]). Fixed the infobox caption. We can add a skull pic (I really have not felt the need to use it elsewhere so it slipped from my mind here), where exactly would it look best? I agree we should fix the 'climber' caption, may be say something about tree-living? The Sabah one was also tough to find, most pics have a plain background. And the bottom 3 pic was already there in the article so I let it be, especially as it was the only one showing a group, but we can omit that if you say. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 01:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I've binned the last one as totally useless, but there are still too many photos of bears doing not a lot. Apart from the first one and the one eating, the rest are basically decorative: they don't add anything. Sorry but that's how it is.

• "noted for its similarity to the rising sun" - doesn't work for me, never seen a U-shaped sun. Perhaps just drop the phrase, as the sentence is clear without it.

• All sources that mention this keep repeating "rising sun", though they obviously mean the overturned semicircle. Can you think of a better way of putting it? If we can't then I guess it has to go.

• The Greek for 'sun' isn't "hela", it's Ἥλιος Hēlios - some connection, evidently, but not the same.

• Beruang is just the usual Malay/Indonesian word for "Bear" (unconnected to bruin, [brown] bear); Orang means "Man".

• For both points above, seems the Mammalian Species article (the only source discussing the etymology) did not get these right. I will try to fix these from proper dictionary sources.

• Okay the first point has been corrected and I added a good source for it. The second had to go as there clearly is not a specific name for this bear, it is just the bear that occurs in the region may be. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 01:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

• "possibly due to extensive deforestation" - maybe put this in commas.

• Done

• "varies a lot" - perhaps "varies widely".

• Done

• The linked Display (zoology) article is a shocking mess. Signalling theory is better and covers much of that territory, though not sure it's what we want to link here. Future work, perhaps.

• That article really needs some work. Though over the years I have been suggested to link "display" to this, you are right about signalling theory, the "stotting" of impala and using the patch to threaten others (sun bears) are both signals. Changed the link and going to use it in similar cases later.

• "are known to tear open" - could drop the "are known to".

• Done

• "dispersal of Canarium pilosum seeds" - connect this to the mention of Burseracea just above.

• Done

• "external simulation for excretion" - does this mean for defecation?

• Yes. Reworded

Thank you so much for taking this! I will get to these soon. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 13:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

My pleasure. I've cut a couple of images, cropped the feeder and added the skull. The result is certainly less repetitive. Another excellent article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts and comments :) I will remember these points. Also.. One point about the pigs GA review, I'm confused where to list it in the GA topics, I mentioned this on the review page but it may have missed your attention. Thanks again, Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 07:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It's all a bit arbitrary. Some of the other 'Human interactions with <group>' are under 'Biology' on the GA page, not exactly ideal. 'Culture, sociology, and psychology' could be right but if you look at what else is there, it's not exactly a great match either. You pays your money and you takes your choice. :} Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)