Talk:Sudovia

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Numbers?[edit]

there were 5846 Lithuanians living in Poland - what are other numbers?Xx236 11:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

do you at least know what are you talking about?--Lokyz 13:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

do you at least know how are you talking? Would you please formulate you question in a polite way, and maybe think a little before you attack me, assigning me crimes which I haven't committed?

I'm asking about other numbers about Sudovia - how many people live there, how many Poles, Lithuanians, other minorities. The number of Lithuanians in Poland alone is in some way POV here.Xx236 13:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger[edit]

Rationale: Talk:Suvalkai_Region#Merge, Talk:Suvalkai_Region#Merge_2.

Support. Originator of the merge idea, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It was proposed to merge articles, I have to oppose this suggestion as I did earlier. Because these articles should cover completely different theme as Sudovia and Region are different units, controlled by Lithuanians in different time frame. While yes every article can be improved and expanded, M.K. (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The geographical region is the same; it was not an administrational entity but a geographical one. It makes little sense to have articles about the same geographical place split into Polish and Lithuanian forks.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 13:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support the merger idea. I have read both articles and it really seems to me it would be only beneficiary to merge them. - Darwinek (talk) 13:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support as well, there is no real reason to have the same region split into two articles.--Molobo (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Are you completely out of your mind? One is ethnograpic region of Lithuania stemming from Sudovians - a Baltic tribe, and another is a small territory disputed between Poland and Lithuania between the world wars. What do they have in common?? Renata (talk) 18:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From the article: Suwalszczyzna is also used as a name of a small geographic region on the border of Poland and Lithuania, roughly corresponding with the Lithuanian ethnographic region.. This is exactly what Suvalkai region is about - the region near Suwałki. That Suwalszczyzna/Sudovia is a L. e. region is fine, but we don't need an article on the term as used by the Lithuanians during that period, just as we don't need to split Suwalszczyzna to present a Polish POV.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support. With due respect to the Lithuanian contributors, those two articles should be merged. The very idea of creating an article called Suvalkai region is indeed crazy, so Renata, you are right, someone is completely out of their mind. How about creating article "Wilenszczyzna", describing only Polish aspect of this region, which starts with "Wilenszczyzna is a Polish name of the region of Vilnius in Lithuania"? How does it sound? Tymek (talk) 23:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge Never heard of the place but the points put across by M.K and Renata are more persuasive. Aatomic1 (talk) 17:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge It seems that Suvalkai Region is much smaller than Sudovia. --Doopdoop (talk) 13:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How so? Do you have some verifiable comparisons, or a map, or such? As I explained above, they seem very similar. Here, for example, is a Polish government site that equates Suwalki region with Suwalszczyzna (Sudovia). We can certainly discuss the historical importance of the region for Lithuanian in our article - but we can do it safely in one article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge - no rationale for the merger provided.--Lokyz (talk) 22:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Suvalkai remains me of a novel The Chase of the Golden Meteor by Jules Verne - a piece of land on the East coast of Greenland disignated by an Eighteenth century French scientist as a 49-ers dream land where the golden meteorite should fall. His calculations were correct except for one simple fact, they were based on measurements taken from a school map which wasn't too precise. So, after he bought the land first and took a look at it later, he was disappointed - 90% of land was under water. greg park avenue (talk) 02:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I need a translation of the metaphor. Renata (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I translated it it wouldn't be no metaphor no more. Cheers! greg park avenue (talk) 21:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, aka Do not merge, aka Keep, and discuss whether it should be renamed Suvalkija with redirects. It is a large ancient ethnic region that has been part of various political bodies, most recently the southern part (the Suvalkai/Suwalki region) was incorporated into Poland 1919-1920. But the ethnic region, which extends all the way to Kaunas, is considerably larger than that disputed section. Its LT dialect, according to William R. Schmalstieg, was destined to become the basis of the standardized LT language. [1] Novickas (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]