Talk:Strood

channel tunnel rail link

do u think we should make a mention of the channel tunnel rail link passing by strood and the new bridge across the medway?

new houses

also i may add something about the new houses they r building around the Chalk Pit between cuxton road and sycamore road/ rushdean road. ill need to do more research but i have seen it and it looks like a big project. they have already completely changed the landscape there and r starting inside the pit i think. more research needed.

Pratj 00:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The pictures

I have added some images, but believe that it is impossible to take one picture that is representative of Strood.

• Anything photogenic is actually in Frindsbury.
• Anything photogenic has already been
  • demolished
  • burnt down
  • built over
• Anything that exists is in a backwater no-one ever visits so won't recognise
• Or is too small to have significance

Feel free to improve on anything I have provided.ClemRutter 21:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please change the picture in this article, it's a picture of northern ireland...not strood.

It has been zapped ClemRutter 21:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Gedas?

"The model and television presenter Kelly Brook is also from this Kentish town and Gedas."

Doesn't make sense to me so snipping the last two words. Sharm 22:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

reorganisation

this page badly needs reorganisation. make it more similar to the medway article i have been working on.

Pratj 18:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

i hope to have a major revision ready shortly- I have taken a copy of the existing text offline and am working on it now ClemRutter 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. I have posted my changes, so it all looks a bit different now. All the original comments have been retained, and marked (No attribute). Three sentences went as they were unbalanced and couldn't be attributed. I have left wikifying to the experts-particularly the references. There is more to be done on the Mills, I have the source material but ran out of time. I also have photographs that will add later when I have classified them

Enjoy.

ClemRutter 18:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

well done. much, much , much better Pratj 19:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

CHURCHGREEN

How come Church Green has not been mentioned in Frindsbury as it has a good historic back ground and that local legend has it that where the park is there used to be a coal power station. And an old chalk pit just beside the Frindsbury hill, with an old barn beside the other side of the chalk pit that boast's a lot of history. CAN ANYONE HELP

well, i live in strood and have never heard that rumour. im sure there would be documents on it if there was a power station their but i cannot find any. ill ask around to see if any1 can remember. Pratj 20:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The "chalk pit" is still there: it created the chalk cliff below Church Green. In old photos, the grassy slope runs all the way down to water level. And the "power station" may possibly have been the pumping station associated with the canal, or for drinking water, but I'm just guessing here. JackyR | Talk 21:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

good theory there jacky. the chalk pit can still be seen but there has been no coal fired power station that i can find on the internet.

The history of Church Green is well documented. There was scheme to demolish the church so they could get at the chalk beneath-this was dropped. There was a conflict between industrial use and housing- neither progressed. There is no record of a power station, though the sidings alongside the strood basin were used for coal twice- once for the engines, and then later to take coal by barge to Kingsnorth Power Station (until 15th January 1986) ref para 52 Southern Main Lines, Darford to Sittingbourne, Middleton Press.ClemRutter 22:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh. Take a look at what Clem (an off-wiki pal) is cooking up in his sandbox! Some work needed before this becomes Frindsbury, but I've promised him I'll do some over the next few days. JackyR | Talk 23:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Do see Frindsbury. ClemRutter 22:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

this article is a million times better than what it was a month ago, well done.

can i just ask where are u getting those old maps from? Pratj 13:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The maps are stored at the Local Studies Centre, Civic Centre Strood. They will do a A3 photocopy for 50p. I use Reeves watercolour tubes to shade (Ultramarine, Ochre, Crimson.) These are then scanned in using a Epson 1650. I then use Photoshop Elements to stitch them together and reduce the resolution, a bit more shading, and add the captions-- I would have been so much easier if the OS in 1863 had just used jpegs! ClemRutter 10:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Brooks Saga

The model and television presenter Kelly Brook is also from this Kentish town.-

ClemRutter removed the above line wiht html coment tags

IIRC she went Thomas Aveling, making her from Rochester/Chatham, see http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0111639/bio Pickle UK then made the above coment in the article

I can't recall meeting her Does anyone recall her. Unfortunately, that she went to Thomas Aveling, doesn't mean that she wasn't born here.

• Her parents could have moved.
• But Thomas Aveling what the nearest mixed Secondary Modern, when Rede Court was closed- and many Strood kids did cross the bridge.

Until we have a citation, I suggest we leave it commented out. ClemRutter 22:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The brief dig about by me, and from what i do recall (Medway News probably, where as 'local girl made good' she occasional features) is it has always been said she was from Rochester - thus i would normally attribute her to being from Rochester, rather than Strood, but people have been known to say Strood is in Rochester... Thus i'ld strike her from the Strood page as she is more than likely to be from Rochester, although its quiet possible she is actually from Strood. Pickle 23:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Political Representation

The following was posted:

• My comments in italics.

Political representation in Strood at a local government level is spread across three wards, specifically Strood North, Strood South and Strood Rural. These wards are represented on Medway Council which is a unitary authority established in 1998.

No- Strood is not in Rural in the same way that Strood was in Rochester and never in Strood Rural District Council- read the references below.

The latest political composition can be found on the Medway Local Election 2007 website

If you want to post the Strood info- please extract it and format it in a table. That detail neds to go in the Medway item

Strood is traditionally represented by all three major parties at local government.

Wrong. Strood has not been represented by a Liberal Democrat or Independant Liberal Democrat in the last 30 years. It has been Tory, and Labour.

• Strood Conservatives
• Strood Labour

This is not a link farm- this is a form of political spam

• Medway Liberal Democrats

I have served on the council with Geoff, and he is a welcome guest any time he wishes to knock on my door- but he is a Gillingham member- no connection with Strood at a LG level. The LibDems do not have any organisation on the Strood side of the river.

Strood is part of the Medway Constituency and is represented by Labour MP, Bob Marshall-Andrews

Unless this becomes wiki policy to plug the MP for each neighbourhood then this is out of place

In doing this edit, reference to Strood Rural District council was erased.

In signing this edit, as a former elected member I declare an interest as an active member of one of the political parties mentioned.ClemRutter 22:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I am disappointed with the user above, as I am for my extreme boldness in removing dumbing-down as it currently reads, completely (or trying to!). I will concede I drifted off topic in how in Kent a Liberal Democrat or other "third party" not in the "major two parties" has basically a gnat's chance in hell of getting elected as MP (for any seat). However the other points of non dumbing-down, such as what's national, what's local stand. Got it?- Adam37 Talk 12:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Hogarth

I presume the reference to Hogarth's 1772 visit means William Hogarth - but that's impossible as he died in 1764. What's the source for that statement? Colonies Chris (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Harrybobthetod

What's happening? Edits by the above user have been identified as vandalism by ClueBot NG and by Callenecc but instead of being reverted seem to have been deleted. Is this new policy, and if so how does anyone check that the bot has got it right? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Bourne/Winterbourne

Are the two streams winterbournes? Bourne (placename) covers the more general case of a "small stream" such as in nearby Sittingbourne or in the Medway tributary River Bourne, Kent. Winterbourne (stream) refers specifically to a seasonal stream that only flows when the water table is high, typically in winter. The fact that the geography section starts with "Strood lies on the edge of marshy land" implies a more permanent state of affairs as does the fact that the bridge approach was built on a causeway; however the marshes could be tidal in which case no inference can be drawn. The situation today is confused by road building and culverting, does anyone have any precise (and preferably citable) knowledge of the stream's behaviour? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Not a winterbourne- they only happen in a few circumstances when the watertable is a few metres below the surface- here we have bournes of the type 'long valleys eroded into the dip slopes of the downs'- I have never been contradicted by planners of council officers when I have used the term- but never seen it in print. Glover and Eckwall both attribute Bourne to OE burna. In this case I think we have gone passed the winterbourne stage- it may have been one once, but the water table has dropped further. Darland Valley, Capstone, Delce all appear to have the same geological structure and not a visible stream. The Darent and the Medway both drain the clay vales to the south of the scarp- and Milton Creek is not very evident south of Sittingbourne. But: www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/treghhtr-12789/

OK, based on that I've changed the link from Winterbourne (stream) to Bourne (stream). Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Strood caves

In a bid to sound errudite I was Googling for Bourne flood strood- and I came up with this:

Natural solution-caves in the chalk, in contrast, are rare. Some small ones, which can be explored by those happy to wriggle through small holes underground, are known in the cliffs at Beachy Head, some way above the beach, where marine erosion has exposed them. These are genuine groundwater solution caves, now accessible as a result of the cliff receding as the sea has undercut its base; they are quite distinct from the much more common wave-eroded caves at beach level. The largest recorded natural chalk cave in Britain was discovered, at a depth of 120 feet underground, during the construction of the waterworks at Strood (Kent). This chamber is 'over 17 feet high, of considerable width and length, and from this ... [there is] ... a natural adit through which a person can walk for about 60 feet.' William Coles-Finch(1908), the resident engineer, published plans, sections, and several photographs taken inside this remarkable cavity.

http://www.bournesociety.org.uk/bournesoc/a-celebration-of-the-bourne/88-the-east-surrey-bournes-a-19th-century-scientific-detective-story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClemRutter (talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Citations

The citations and references for this are a bit of a mix, and many are poorly done. Unless anyone objects in the next week, I'll have a go at tidying them. I'll use Harvard style with bibliographic information in the references section and {{sfn}} style citations linked to them. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I accept total credit for the appalling state of the references-- shall I say that I was young and foolish then. And Wikipedia was at its toddler stage of development. IMHO- go for {{sfn}}s. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:30, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@ClemRutter: Would you mind adding the commas back to things like "In 1948"? I've had two GAs, and both of them had to have commas after that to achieve the status, so I think that's correct. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 18:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: Deep respect- but I think that there is a lot of work to do first on getting the facts sorted. We must sort out what we mean by Strood. What I call Strood has been officially Rochester since about 1300. Strood rural district council never included Strood. I sacrificed a few commas after making the conscious decision that the surrounding prose was too wobbly to save. Sorry to offend. Are you still on board to attempt a GA on this one- love to learn your technique. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. My intentions were to get this to GA, but on second thought, this does need a lot of work and discussion. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 19:56, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Retail

I removed a load of info that was pretty much just a list of what major shops are sited in Strood, but this edit was undone. Though referenced, this information is not notable and not encyclopaedic. For example, Poundland has over 800 shops across the UK. That there is one in Strood is utterly unremarkable. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 13:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ilikeeatingwaffles:

1. Hi firstly, thanks for showing an interest.
2. Secondly 12 years ago I was the RUMCC councillor for 1/3 of the area we are talking about so I declare it as insubstantial and non-pecuniary interest- it could be seen as a COI so better safe than sorry. I see no reason to prevent me from editing.
3. Thirdly I agree the test needs some copy-editing. The text needs to be change to restore its obvious notability
4. I am not sure if you know the Medway Towns and their development and history- so I must assume not. Rochester Bridge was the lowest bridging point of the Medway- Rochester was the city, with school, castle and cathedral. Strood was the spot where the other end of the bridge landed. It was the retail hub, and rooming houses for the poor. We have an article on Lowest bridging points but it is a stub and it doesn t mention the development of the villages facing the great cities- eg re Lancaster- The article on Skerton Bridge- doesn t mention or link to Skerton! Stroods original function included retail and this now dominates the town centre. The reference to Poundland, and the missing one to Poundworld gives an idea of the demographic of the target consumer. The economy of the town centre is intimately linked to these stores and studying them give an indication of the social structure of the locality. It is notable that so many of the big supermarkets are competing on the small patch. It is notable that there are not serious stores from any of Tescos/Morrison/Asda/Aldi on the other side of the bridge. It is significant that Waitrose and Sainsburys haven t intervened- that B&Q was priced out of the town centre by a rent rise- and that Tescos are landbanking to (allegedly) prevent competition. That is the basis of my argument (but real life has intervened and we can discuss it further tomorrow).--ClemRutter (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

So you're saying that Strood operates as some kind of counter to Rochester? That would be quite an interesting thing to cover, if sources are available, but none of this is clear in the article - there's not really any context at all to explain why any of this is of any particular significance. Additionally, all the weight of the section is on developments from 2005 onwards. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

+1 - I'm the one who's been adding the stuff from Poundland onwards - Is it perfect ? - Nope I'm hopeless when it comes to writing an article however I believe there is some notability here, I admit it needs alot of work doing to it but I don't see why we shouldn't include the retail side of things especially when it's all sourced. –Davey2010^Talk 12:37, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I addressed some of the criticism- added context - removed a little overlinking (once a paragraph is enough) reread the text and learnt a little more. Though the concept of lowest bridging point, bridging points and trading centre is rather fundamental, the articles we have on these settlement theory topics is sparse. I look at the equivalent settlement of Skerton, Lancaster and saw how much further forward Strood appears to be. Thanks @Davey2010: for your ongoing hard work. ClemRutter (talk) 16:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks ClemRutter and thank you for improving that section - it's greatly appreciated :), –Davey2010^Talk 17:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

This now looks a bit like original research. Are there any sources detailing this lowest bridging point effect and its actual impact on Strood w.r.t. Rochester? Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 14:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I would have though that I would fall over numerous references- but I am still looking. Skerton: no reference. Strood:It was referred to often in officers reports scrutiny committees upto 2003, but I can't locate one now- still looking. ClemRutter (talk) 12:35, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

SFN Refs

If no one objects sometime next week I'll be converting all this "SFN" crap to actual references - I admit it looks nice however when it comes to citing this page it's a pain in the arse to have to try and cite anything and it probably explains why no newbies cite this page because no one really knows how too,
FWIW I've never seen an article use Template:SFN and so as it's very uncommon way of citing I don't see why we should use it either especially when it's not the easiest way of doing things either, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 22:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

• Strong objection. It's not "crap", it's actually the easiest way to do it and doesn't mess up the raw article text like badly formed in-line references do. If you need help understanding how to use references and {{tl:sfn}} then ask, I'll be happy to guide you. You may never have seen them used in an article but they are used in plenty. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

• I disagree - Infact it's the hardest way of citing it and no other pages use this format so therefore I see no valid reason as to why we should continue using sfn, Don't get me wrong I can use it as I have done plenty of times on this article however out of the 5 million articles on this site as far as I can see this is the only article that uses it throughout, We're meant to make citing easier not harder. –Davey2010^Talk 23:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

• Nevermind this template is actually used alot ... just I've never noticed before, Still don't like the template however there's not much one can do about it, Ah well thanks anyway, –Davey2010^Talk 23:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Being slightly too bold

A step too far. This is unreferenced and an essay- misrepresenting the facts. There are two electoral registers, local government open to all EC citizens and the limited one for parliament and referenda. There is a big debate over the parliamentary boundaries and the former Strood RDC boundaries. Kent in the last few calculations has always needed a fractional number of MPs on numbers- which resulted in the anomaly of Chatham and Aylesford being allowed. You also have the question of why North Kent (Medway) became unitary and North West Kent (Dartford/Gravesend) didn't? Why also didn't Higham return to Medway. The boundary commission couldn't resolve the matter to their satisfaction- but made the exception. There is a big story here far bigger than faraway Pratts Bottom. I think you need to make a site visit- I'll put on the coffee.--ClemRutter (talk) 12:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Clarify, please

Among its broadest named neighbourhoods are the "Earl estate" and Marlowe Park...

What does this mean? Valetude (talk) 02:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

County?

Which county is Strood in? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 18:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

GhostInTheMachine - Kent .... –Davey2010^Talk 18:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)