Talk:Sternotherus odoratus
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{dyktalk|16 June|2006|entry=...that the Stinkpot turtle (pictured) deters predators by releasing a musky smell from glands under its shell?}} ++Lar: t/c 01:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
New title?[edit]
Should the article be moved to Common Musk or Turtle or Stinkpot since it isn't the animal known only by its Latin name? --Brand спойт 14:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Common Musk Turtle would probably the most appropriate, but, technically the most common term used for them would just be "Musk Turtle", as no one refers to them as "common" in every day language, but that is entirely vague as there are several species just called "musk turtle". It is also known by at least a half dozen different other common names depending on where you go, and who you ask, which is kind of misleading. Stinkpot used to be more common about 30 years ago, but I rarely hear it used anymore. Hence my choice for the scientific name, though I have no real complaint with it being moved if someone thinks something else is more logical. -Dawson 15:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Definitely not just "Musk Turtle". There are numerous species in the genus and they are all called musk turtles so it would be confusing. Additionally all modern texts refer to them as "Common Musk Turtles" or "Stinkpots" (e.g. Conant and Collins 1998 field guide to reptiles and amphibians of Eastern/central NA, Ernst and Lovich 2009 turtles of the united states and canada, and Ernst and Barbour 1998 turtles of the world). I prefer stinkpot because it is a much more charismatic name and is also the one most often used amongst researchers, government and conservation organizations, and the public here in canada Matt Keevil (talk) 17:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Matt see http://www.iucn-tftsg.org/wp-content/uploads/file/Accounts/crm_5_000_checklist_v3_2010.pdf page 000.98 Regards, SunCreator (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Well that source gives all three proposed names. The two official lists for North American herpetologists ( http://www.cnah.org/pdf_files/1246.pdf endorsed by CNAH) and ( http://www.herplit.com/SSAR/circulars/HC29/Crother.html] endorsed by SSAR, ASIH, and the Herpetologists League) recommend Common Musk Turtle and Stinkpot respectively. Both names are well represented in the scientific literature and official publications with a long history of use. The Crother list recommends against using Common Musk Turtle because the word 'common' could be misleading (they are a Threatened species in Canada, for example. Matt Keevil (talk) 04:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Great refs. I was trying to show the 'Musk turtle' wasn't unused. On Wikipedia Stinkpot exists already
and it's not clear that the disambigious page has reason to be moved for this article(edit:after some more thought it's easy to justify moving that page). So not sure. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
- Great refs. I was trying to show the 'Musk turtle' wasn't unused. On Wikipedia Stinkpot exists already
- Well that source gives all three proposed names. The two official lists for North American herpetologists ( http://www.cnah.org/pdf_files/1246.pdf endorsed by CNAH) and ( http://www.herplit.com/SSAR/circulars/HC29/Crother.html] endorsed by SSAR, ASIH, and the Herpetologists League) recommend Common Musk Turtle and Stinkpot respectively. Both names are well represented in the scientific literature and official publications with a long history of use. The Crother list recommends against using Common Musk Turtle because the word 'common' could be misleading (they are a Threatened species in Canada, for example. Matt Keevil (talk) 04:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Matt see http://www.iucn-tftsg.org/wp-content/uploads/file/Accounts/crm_5_000_checklist_v3_2010.pdf page 000.98 Regards, SunCreator (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Definitely not just "Musk Turtle". There are numerous species in the genus and they are all called musk turtles so it would be confusing. Additionally all modern texts refer to them as "Common Musk Turtles" or "Stinkpots" (e.g. Conant and Collins 1998 field guide to reptiles and amphibians of Eastern/central NA, Ernst and Lovich 2009 turtles of the united states and canada, and Ernst and Barbour 1998 turtles of the world). I prefer stinkpot because it is a much more charismatic name and is also the one most often used amongst researchers, government and conservation organizations, and the public here in canada Matt Keevil (talk) 17:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
last two sentences[edit]
The last two sentences in the section "Reproduction" make no sense! If the males and females reproduce in different water temperatures, how do they reproduce with each other? Either this phenomenon needs to be explained, or these sentences need to be deleted from the article. As to the new title, Stinkpot gets my vote; that's the name commonly used for them here in Western PA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.236.194 (talk) 13:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)