Talk:Stephen Gardiner

Beards

there is a link from 'beards' saying "check out the beard of this guy!"... but there is no picture. we need one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.29.58 (talk • contribs) September 2006

I found a pic and sorry, no beard. Maybe they are thinking of Thomas Cranmer. -- SECisek 09:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately not a pic of Gardiner, though wrongly so called by the Victorians. So I have removed it. See here and here, which seem right to me. The NPG has 2 later prints, based on apparently the only portrait that might be authentic - not sure where that is. Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

Article show a heavy bias from its only source: An encyclopedia from the dawn of the 20th Century. Needs much work. --07:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

This whole page is deeply problematic. The section on Mary's reign contains no reference to his role in the execution of Lady Jane Grey and his attempts to procure a similar fate for Elizabeth Tudor. It's currently a string of generous adjectives written by a 21st century wikipedia editor eulogizing a man born five centuries earlier. Could anyone with the time and expertise do some work on this? 76.24.213.0 (talk) 19:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Why does someone keep erasing that Stephen Gardiner's father, Sir William Gardner killed King Richard III of England. It has been written... Rhys ap Thomas was knighted for surrounding King Richard's forces and leading to his demise, that's why he had some credit in killing the king. However, it was William Gardner who was also knighted, because he was the axe man who killed King Richard at the Battle of Bosworth, therefore he was allowed to marry Helen Tudor of British royalty, and fathered Stephen Gardiner, as well as a number of sons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.1.90 (talk) 21:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The Welsh account on the death of Richard simply says, “Richard’s horse was trapped in the marsh where he was slain by one of Rhys Thomas’ men, a commoner named William Gardynyr.” Henry VII knighted William Gardynyr on the battlefield and Jasper Tudor gave his illegitimate daughter to him in marriage —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonewolfcg (talk • contribs) 21:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I've just finished doing a massive overhaul of the "Role in the Divorce" section. I removed most, if not all, of the "string of generous adjectives" (priceless) and tried to make the section read with a little more neutrality. I am in no way an expert on Stephen Gardiner, the Tudor Monarchy or British History. I'm an American editor who hates un-encyclopedic content and poor writing. That section was both. I removed some of the more dubious claims and added {{fact}} tags to others. I also dismantled every one of the run-on sentences, added internal links and one actual reference.

The strangest part (to me) about this section was the abundance of pronouns without a clear antecedent. Since so many names are mentioned in the first paragraph, starting a sentence with the pronoun "he" means the reader isn't entirely sure which he the information is referring to. I replaced the unclear pronouns with their proper nouns for all the information that I personally knew to be true or was able clarify with other Wikipedia articles (which, as we all know, are not valid references for other WP articles.) However, there were still a pretty fair number of unclear pronouns left - they've been tagged with ().

My plan is to continue to revamp the rest of the article, but even with the types of corrections I'm doing this is still an article in major need of attention. I may put an {{Expert-subject}}} template on the article at the end of it all, although I'm not sure if that's what is required. (It definitely needs more citations.)

Hopefully the section I just rewrote is coming off as less biased. I beg you - seriously, I really do - to let me know if you think it still sounds too one-sided or if you think it still seems to favor the subject to an unreasonable degree. ocrasaroon (talk) 05:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Bravo for your efforts. Cannot imagine the article being so much more needy than it is currently. Cheers, and hope that others, esp. experts might continue on this critically important figure, spanning the reigns of Henry, Edward, and Mary. Le Prof 71.239.87.100 (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Discrepancies and oddities for attention

Born c. 1483 in the lede, and c. 1497 in the infobox?

"He had probably already begun his studies at Trinity Hall, Cambridge" after it being said "Gardiner, 28 years old"... i.e., in an historical period when studies were entered into much earlier, "[h]e had probably already begun his studies" at 28?

Le Prof 71.239.87.100 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Needs info & succession boxes -- SECisek 06:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 06:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 07:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

{{geodata-check}}

The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—210.10.210.38 (talk) 05:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)MSinclaiii

You haven't said how the coordinates in the article are erroneous, and they certainly indicate the location of Winchester Cathedral. If you think that there is an error, please give a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Divorce

"support for his plans to divorce Catherine of Aragon" Henry did not want to divorce Katherine. He wanted to have the marriage annulled. Constant Pedant (talk) 09:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)