Talk:Stara Zagora massacre

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This article makes claims with almost no sourcing and it doesn't make sense.

Why is there almost no sources for this massacre?
Why is the Batak massacre a year earlier so well developed with so many sources, yet is a smaller massacre?
Why does "the largest documented massacre in Bulgarian history " have almost no sources?
- - The largest doesn't always mean well-documented unfortunately. When I started resesarcing the case, I was asking myself the same question. VMORO 14:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why does "The Turkish Atrocities In Bulgaria" by The Bronx Times not even mention this massacre, despite being the largest in history?

And please, comments like "no sourcing", leave them at home. There is even a paragraph from Seton-Watson about SZ still being a "charnel house". Do you think this is a barbecue for guests?😊 VMORO 15:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Going to suggest this massacre did not happen and is being conflated with Batak massacre a year earlier but some old sources have wrong dates causing the confusion. Prove me wrong, but the evidence for this massacre is not sufficient. -- GreenC 04:45, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, sure, but definitely nope. Completely different events, completely different settinngs, completely different players. The only reason why the SZM is not nearly as prominent (apart from the fading away of the "Bulgarian horrors") is the communist party's orders not to "tarnish" Gurko's name. Any attempt to dig into this reveals that the Russian command had primary responsibility for pretty much every massacre that took place south of the Balkan Range in 1877. They had advance squads that descended to sub-Balkan vallesys, liberated them and then went back home. And make a search in Bulgarian - Старозагорско клане. See the sessions of people wearning national flags that happen every year to the Defenders of Stara Zagora Monument. Of Gurko, who didn't defend shit. VMORO 14:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I spent a good hour looking for English language sources in archive.org and Google Books. This early holocaust deserves attention - if it occurred. -- GreenC 04:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hey, hey, give me some time to write the article:). I usually write until it's finished, and then I post, but am super groggy at the moment, so I must have pressedd "Post".

My personal explanation is political reasons. During Totalitarian rule, it was next to criminal to suggest that "an established figure", especially a Russian, could have made any mistake.

I will try to pull you some international references too, later, but I am now trying to simply bring the article to a satisfactory end. 14:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC) VMORO 14:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]