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Stan had Astma[edit]

Cartman finds an Astma-Inhaler in a Box in Stans Room according to the episode "Sexual Herassment Panda" (about 5 minutes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.67.62 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Big cleanup[edit]

Article still has issues, but I did my best to resolve a few things[1]. I removed tons of weasel wording ("perhaps", "it can be said", etc.) and a lot of personal observations and speculative statements that were unverifiable. I also deleted several pointless entries that also took up way too much space (such as the lengthy section talking about how what color shirt Stan was wearing underneath his coat in several different episodes) and extended details about what other characters did on certain occasions (this is Stan's article!). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for revert[edit]

I've recently watched each and every single episode. I've seen nothing that offers hardcore evidence that Stan is the "leader" of the fourth grade, and the legitimacy of his placement of "third" on "the list" (from that episode) comes into question if you remember what happens during the third act. This is tricky, because it can easily be interpreted as OR but Wikipedia also allows some slack in allowing an episode itself as a source for articles related to the fictional character of said show. So if you remove that, all you have left is "Stan is still friends with the Goth kids", which isn't really notable enough to add as its own subsection. So I've reverted the entire subsection for now, but please discuss further and pitch ideas for how it can be expanded and improved so that it can be put back on. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 03:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox (Religion)[edit]

Characters switching (or abandoning) religions is a fairly common theme on the show, so I feel the "religion" section of the character infobox should be reserved for just that character's primary religion. Any other conversions are usually explained in the article anyway. I went ahead and adjusted most instances of multiple listings for other character's as well, seeing as how I really didn't know the appropriate place to start a discussion on this issue (I linked all edit summaries to here; discussion page for the template itself doesn't seem to generate much traffic), so please discuss if you disagree. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chef[edit]

you need to change Chef profile because he is no longer these things you have on Chef

I've also posted the following on Chef's talf page; here.

What should the infobox say is Chef's religion? I know he was depicted once as a Muslim (they article explains why, and that it was temporary). And for the final episode he was in the "Super Adventure Club" (which I would deem as not a religion at all, but my reasoning for it can easily be interpreted as OR, so I won't suggest discarding the idea). We have seen Chef get married in a ceremony presided over by Father Maxi, and his parents have a picture of Jesus on their wall, but as far as I can tell the show has never specifically stated what denomination of Christianity he might be. For now, I've left it vague as such, so please discuss and leave suggestions as to the best way to present this info. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Everyman?[edit]

Stan is supposed to be South Park's everyman, right? (JoeLoeb (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Summary of major edit[edit]

Re: this edit
Here we go:

Slightly elaborated the lead.
Removed info about his birthday. It's sourced to a site which claims it got it from merchandise elsewhere, although I'm not sure whether such material is official canon. Either way, to my knowledge, it's never been professed as such on the show itself, so it's merely a trivial "fun fact".
Removed mention about his asthma. It's on his bio on the show's website, but on the show itself, it was really only mentioned once in passing, and this ailment has otherwise never come into play. Worthy of mention in the article?
Removed mentions of his clone and Aunt Flo, one-off characters whose descriptions in the article really don't offer any insight into the character.
Rearranged article into a new format, and trimmed/removed slightly OR material from "Friends and Relationships" section, and incorporated the rest into new sections.
Added "In other media" section. (Not "References in Pop Culture"; actual SP-related appearances in other mediums and studies on the character)
Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.

As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Infobox image[edit]

This discussion on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:StanMarsh.svg
File:StanMarsh1.svg
Any opinions on which image should be used? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personality & traits[edit]

I'm not doing a real review, but I did notice that much of the Personality section is really more about all the South Park main characters in general, rather than just Stan (specifically, the first and last paragraphs of that section describe just about all of them). The part of the section that isn't about that mostly seems to be random trivia. You might want to work on that section some before the real GA review starts. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A handful of the sentences in the first paragraph indeed describes the rest of the boys ...but if it accurately describes Stan as well, I don't see the problem. The last paragraph, save for the sentence about Chef, is rather specific for Stan. The rest is there in the hopes of giving a more general aspect of Stan's personality, instead of the other three boys. I'll try to make it less trivial if it's deemed as such. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Stan Marsh/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Will start review soon. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 16:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the refs:

Why are Maclean.ca, IslamOnline.net, Buzzle.com, Advameg, Inc, AVRev.com, Realmovienews.com, TeenHollywood.com reliable?

Digizine link seems dead.

If the YouTube video is a copyvio, you should cite wherever the original interview comes from and not link to youtube. Maybe it's an official channel for something, I don't know.

World Net Daily You may want to rethink it's use. Up to you. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 17:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You said you're busy on my talk page. I'm in no hurry, but the quickest thing for you to do would be to just remove those refs and their associated sentences. For any you want to keep, just find me an about page that says they have editors as well as writers. I checked several of them, and they didn't have much to indicate reliability, but unfortunately I didn't make a list of the ones I checked. Anyways, no hurry, and if someone else is going to help, just direct them to this page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IslamOnline does indeed seem kind of "collection of blogs"-ish. The sentence stating that Cartman is the butt of fat jokes is what it references; I'm sure I can find a better source for this. The Buzzle article cites its own sources (a Knoxville newspaper and Eonline); I'll see if I can find the same info from those two. I removed the Advameg and YouTube sources, as they were additional sources to sentences already ref'ed. Realmovienews refs something that's kinda crufty...might be best to just remove this portion entirely, and try to squeeze in a bit more RW info? As for Macleans and TeenHollywood...they are both articles that contain big interviews with the creators of the character; reliable enough considering the circumstances? Ugh...Digizine link pops on and off from time to time, but this time it appears to be gone for good ...will try to find a replacement. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 02:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Tell me when you're done, and I'll continue the review. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The interviews are fine. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[2] Replaced two of the iffy refs, and removed the others which really weren't necessary (as well as accompanying prose/cruft in one case). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 10:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Refs look good.

"When all the boys stay over at Kenny's house, Stan seems to be the only one that doesn't bad mouth Kenny or show any discomfort which shows that Stan is probably Kenny's best friend. Kenny also considers Stan as his best friend, professing that he's one of "the best friends a guy could have" Sounds a bit WP:ORish.

Do you have a ref to back up "In this short, Stan is given his first name, and first appears as he does in the series. Stan next appeared on August 13, 1997, when South Park debuted on Comedy Central with the episode "Cartman Gets An Anal Probe"."

The really small paragraphs should be merged into larger ones.

Prose looks good.

File:StanMarsh1.svg should be scaled down to 300px wide. Same with File:SouthParkStanInRobe.jpg

That's it. Fix these issues, and you've got a GA. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All righty...removed the OR (must've snuck in there), though did leave in the one sourced quote (from Kenny) so that a background to his relationship will all three other main characters could be established (will remove this too, if necessary). I just removed the specifics from Stan's appearance in the second short and re-worded (one can determine that his look differs from the first short from watching, but I couldn't find a decent source to verify this). Combined paragraphs and scaled down images. Cheerio! - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a pass. Great job! - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muchas gracias! - SoSaysChappy (talk) 03:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SVG character images[edit]

Please see this discussion at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —Noisalt (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"everyman" claim[edit]

I have removed the statement about him being an "everyman" character because the McLean's article cited to that effect doesn't actually say that. Mangoe (talk) 02:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't this fall under the definition of 'obvious'? Anyone got a book on character design that would show a good definition? There has to be a book with a list of archetypes. Then it would just be a matter of finding the one/s that he qualifies the most for. Google and this very site both seem to suggest that Carl Jung is a good start to look for information. It seems that the Stan, Cartman, Kyle, Kenny, and so on, represent different archetypes quite deliberately. Have the authors every strictly and explicitly defined them? There are good reasons not to. They'd effectively be retconning if they decided to not follow the archetypes that they defined. Of course in practice, many characters in fiction will naturally cross seemingly conflicting archetypes due to author style, skill, and decisions. After all, that's how new ones are created! 71.196.246.113 (talk) 06:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

Shouldn't all the characters be on one page? Or would this make for a big-freaking-article and thus cross over the line of reasonable size? I don't see anywhere in the discussion about why the separation is preferred but the main claim would be size. The actual information is notable but not out of context of the other characters on the show?71.196.246.113 (talk) 06:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Left-handed?[edit]

In “My future self and me”, Stan is shown to be left-handed at timestamp 10:10-10:13, as he writes a note with his left hand while holding the phone with his right. Is this one-off, or is consistent? Tuvalkin (talk) 09:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt the creators put much stock in whether or not he was left handed.Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 21:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Life[edit]

Ask him how life's going Treyluvr69 (talk) 16:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No.