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Movie tie-in

Could we add a section to this article about the tie-in to the Simpsons Movie where the various Springfields across the country competed to host the premiere of the film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoniceno (talk • contribs) 18:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. It is a pretty good idea, but those real life Springfields don't really have anything to do with this fictional Springfield. Ctjf83Talk 18:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Missouri

Just saw the episode where Lisa gets the A+++, they say that the school is the worst in Missouri... can't that mean that Springfield is located in Missouri? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.135.226.188 (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

They say it was the worst in all of Missouri, then Chalmers and Lisa have a look of, surprise, then Skinner says, that's why they moved it here. Springfield is in no state it's just a joke, they will most likely never reveal a state...it's their "signature joke" for the show. Ctjf83Talk 19:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Ahh okay... I probably missed that... thanks for the explanation :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.135.155.68 (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, in the episode "Papa's Got a New Badge" (Season 13 Episode 22), Homer's security company has the area code of 636. That is the area code for a suburb near St. Louis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.142.121 (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

In one of the episodes this season (sorry, I don't know the name), the family jumps on the couch at the end of the credits, and the camera pans out to space and to near infinity, which turns out to be an molecule in Homer's head. ("Weird," Homer says.) The zoom-out seems to put the Simpsons' house (and Springfield) in Missouri. Mingusboodle (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
We most likely will never ever put a real state in here. We have no idea which state it is and there are several different states it could be. Everything is pointing out to WP:OR. You may think that the zoom-out is in Missouri, but I could think it is Illinois or Iowa. We can't be for sure. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 17:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

sister city(ies)

Should we mention that Springfield has Kabul, Afghanistan as its sister city (from the episode Marge_vs._Singles,_Seniors,_Childless_Couples_and_Teens,_and_Gays)? RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 22:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why not...most real cities on here have their sister cities listed CTJF83Talk 22:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Springfield, MASSACHUSETTS ???

I just saw the special called "behind the laughter", and the said the family was original from west Massachusetts..! I always knew they didn't have a state but in this show the name it... and guess what? there is a real Springfield on west MA... It doesn't look like the Simpson's Springfield, but is still there... have you seen this show, what do you think about this??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.89.232 (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

They have given several different states, and none are true, Springfield is not in any real state CTJF83Talk 08:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Several episodes 'reveal' the actual location of Springfield, and it is always different. This is just one of the many times they are making this joke. robev (talk) 22:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I looked up the episode on Wikipedia and it says that the state changes in that one episode in different airings. I remember watching that episode and here in Massachusetts, the host that did that episode mentioned a quiet family from Missouri although in the same episode years before, it said Kentucky from my personal view watching it. So I guess they're not going to say anyways. LOL. Very funny indeed. -13 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.84.241 (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

David Silverman North Tacoma Quote

Can anyone provide a citation for it? There are a few things that need to be fixed before GA status can be given, but this is one of the pain problems. I couldn't find anything in a Google News search. Does anyone know if it was said in a commentary for an episode? <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 04:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Illinois

In 11 episode of 16 season we can see that Springfield stay in the capital of Illinois state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.140.244.28 (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but we know it HAS to be in the mid-west. If one looks at the map Lyle Lanley shows the town in "Marge Vs. the Monorail," we can North Haverbrook somewhere in the midwest, either Iowa or South Dakota. Marge drives to North Haverbrook to check out the effects of the Monorail, and being that the other monorails were in far away parts of the country compared to North Haverbrook, its unlikely she drove to them in the period of time in which the episode takes place. This suggests Springfield most likely is in the Mid West.Tallicfan20 (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Use of branded image.

I take issue with the use of the following image Image:Realspringfield.jpg as it clearly depicts an advertisement for a video website. Propose to comment out image until a new, unmarked image can be uploaded in its place. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A new link

This is the link of the map:http://adn.blam.be/springfield/. Must be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.208.36.82 (talk) 14:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

What about the aliens from outer space

74.211.21.217 (talk) 21:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Location!

I believe that Springfield is somewhere on the East Coast. It can't be in Pennslyvania, or Vermont, noted in the "Marge Gamer" episode and the one where Moe becomes a poet respectively. Also, in one episode they mention Hardee's, which is the East Coast name for Carl's Jr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.229.93.49 (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Quote

"Well, for me, SCTV was such a huge influence...But the idea of creating a show where the locale—in SCTV 's case, Melonville—was populated with all these different characters that kept on running into each other and it was a whole world, and you could imagine all sorts of other things going on in the world...And I was hoping that that would happen to Springfield. And back on The Tracey Ullman Show, I tried to begin to build the world with Krusty the Clown, and Itchy & Scratchy, and the various little cereals and things like that. And then it certainly expanded beyond my wildest dreams."—Matt Groening

How can you call this quote "unnecessary"? This quote has been deleted before, but I will fight to the bitter end to make sure it stays in this article. Besides, I can point out several quotes on other Simpsons-related articles that are more "unnecessary" than this one. This is an excellent quote, and I'll explain why:

  • Groening explains how SCTV influenced Springfield
  • He explains how detailed of a town he was trying to create, all the way down to its products ("various little cereals")—a town not just with a large cast, but with television ("Itchy & Scratchy") and its own celebrities ("Krusty the Clown")
  • He explains when he began the process ("back on The Tracey Ullman Show")
  • He admits how well the show managed to do this ("it certainly expanded beyond my wildest dreams")

If this is not a necessary quote, what is? Tj terrorible1 (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It's out of place here. It talks more about the concept of the series itself rather than the town. It's really nothing that can't easily be said in the article. I prefer to use quote boxes for quotes that either say something that would be very difficult to re-state in a non-POV way (The Principal and the Pauper) or that would be too long to include (Marge Simpson). This one just falls under the unnecessary fluff category. -- Scorpion0422 17:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
How can you say that it is about the concept of the show when Groening is clearly talking in the context of the town? Besides, when using quote boxes, Wikipedia says that there must be a consensus (see Wikipedia: Quotations). Since neither I nor you can reach one, it stays in the article until a third party or third parties give their opinion. By the way, having read WP: Quotations, this quote does not violate any of its guidelines. In fact, it meets the exception for quotes that can use quote boxes.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 18:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
He's clearly talking about the concept of the show itself and what inspired him to have a large cast of characters rather than the town. I would say that it would be more appropriate in the recurring character article than here (but that doesn't mean that you should add it there either).
I prefer to only use quotes when they illustrate a significant point in an article where paraphrasing it would make the section too long or would dilute the quote. For example, Marge's article has a lengthy quote of a letter "she" wrote to Barbara Bush that received significant coverage and is very lengthy, so using a box makes sense. Bart's page has 2 lengthy quotes about his personality as well, but in those cases they also state opinions that are better off stated as a verbatim quote. In this article, it veers too far off of the subject and the quote isn't fully relating to the subject and the fact that he was inspired by Melonville is already mentioned. -- Scorpion0422 19:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
No, it doesn't veer off too much. It's just that the article isn't that developed. When it is, say, good article-level, when more real-world information has been added and the in-universe info toned down, the quote will contextually make a lot more sense. And, yes, Groening starts by saying "creating a show", but the majority of his quote talks about developing the town. I see the quote as an overview to the Creation section.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 19:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Note: It's a B-Class article, but I plan to get it up to FA sometime soon. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C 06:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was merge into Springfield (The Simpsons). -- Maitch (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

How would you all think about merging Springfield's state here? I think it would definitely help this article, and I'm not so certain that we really need an article discussing just a concept. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

To be honest I thought this article was a joke, very amusing but I dont see exactly how its encyclopedic. just a thought (Id support the merge as well considering the article talks about the state over and overOttawa4ever (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Has this proposal been followed up by the Simpsons wikiproject? A new proposal for a merge has been made at Talk:Springfield's state. For what it's worth, I agree that that article should be merged here; even though it has secondary sources discussing it, it is basically a minor recurring gag. A short section summarising the various locations that have been given (both on- and off-screen) could be added to this section and the other article redirected (like what happened with the old couch gag article). Bradley0110 (talk) 17:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Support. Springfield's state reads like fancruft and the only section that is sourced is the discussion of the real-life location. This could easily be covered by this article. --Maitch (talk) 21:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. I must disagree with Bradley0110, though, when he says that any merged article should have "A short section summarising the various locations that have been given (both on- and off-screen) could be added to this section." This will inevitably lead to trouble, as the Sunday night following any new episode that gives some new "clue" on where Springfield is located will see misguided editors rush to the article and add it. Any merged article must emphasize, in the strongest possible terms, the fact that Springfield's location is unknown and unidentifiable, and that any attempt to identify it is completely pointless. I could see maybe one specific example (like the one from the movie) cited as support, but any more is an invitation to fancruft hell. YLee (talk)
  • What I meant was prominent "locations", like Kentucky or "North Tacoma". Bradley0110 (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. If we list northern Kentucky/southern Ohio, "North Takoma," Oregon, etc., then the next time an episode implies that Springfield is actually in Minnesota we'll get hordes of people trying to put it in. Better to avoid the temptation from the start. YLee (talk) 19:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • To be fair, a vandal removed all of the real-world sourced content from this article, so it did look a little worse than it should. I would have no objection to merging the two and cutting out a lot of the cruftier information, and make this article less in-universe. Plus I wouldn't have to revert people adding "proof" of its location in two articles. -- Scorpion0422 03:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support: Too much cruft in the state article and could go to this article. By the way, while we're at it, I'm not sure List of locations in The Simpsons#Shelbyville needs its own page either. CTJF83Talk 05:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support: Seems like the only logical move would be to merge these two articles. Springfield's state is extremely weak right now, and I think it would be stronger as a part of this article than as a stand-alone. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 17:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Simpsons in Illinois?

I believe it's in the real world Springfields location Illinois. Anyone disagree please post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.217.230.186 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

This is so old!! It is in no real state!!! CTJF83Talk 19:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at this zoom-out from simpsons house and look what state it's in!!!!!!!http://adn.blam.be/springfield/img/simpsons_from_space.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.217.230.186 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Please, because of the clouds you can't tell where it is. One Capital City is the capital in The Simpsons, but Springfield, Illinois is the capital, so no there. Two, when was the last time you heard of a hurricane hitting Illinois? Never! How many mountains do you know of in Illinois? CTJF83Talk 19:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


Haven't you guys ever seen behind the laughter before??? right at the end the narrator says the from northen kentucky. Adozenlies97 (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Based on that image I think it could be accurately determined. Could it be Springfield, Missouri? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mookiebomber (talk • contribs) 07:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
let me just say Springfield, Ohio, Springfield, Illinois, Springfield, Massachusetts --Benjabby (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Population

Was watching Sideshow Bob Roberts last night and they said that their were 48 000 registered voters in springfield. I guess these included the deceased voters and pets, or was it actually a reference to the 'actual' population. I know in another episode the city sign says about 30 000. Anyway something to think about for the article perhaps. Ottawa4ever (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Where Springfield Isn't: The Shelbyville Dis-Connection

A while back, I tried inserting a paragraph or two noting the Springfields that were in proximity to Shelbyvilles. They were consistently deleted because some people thought it was "original research". I did and still disagree that just because I seem to be the first person to compile in one place the geographic locations of all the Springfields and Shelbyvilles in the US that it constitutes "original research".

I am posting here because this seems to be the first step that those in authority suggest for dispute resolution. I don't know how long this will remain important to me, but I am going to try to get some kind of consensus. All I want to do is support the proposition that no actual city named Springfield is the basis for the Simpsons' Springfield, since none of them are in close proximity to an actual city named Shelbyville.

Sesesq (talk) 22:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

If you want to include information in an article it should be sourced and verified otherwise the content can be disputed. There appears to be alot of potential in this article for original research. You could write an academia article in regards to the location of springfield and simmilarities with existing springfields and american culture. Once its published you would be free to source it and include it in the article. Or you culd write a newspaper article, some kind of published verifiable source for your information. Otherwise its original research and can be removed. At least those are my thoughts. This (location of springfield) has been addressed on your talk page and in the archive of this talk page before. Happy editing Ottawa4ever (talk) 14:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the power plant?

And why was the mention of the nuclear plant removed? The nuclear plant is one of the most significant landmarks in Springfield. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.206.147 (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears we don't have any places listed, ie, Moe's, Springfield Elementary School, Barney's Barney's Bowl-A-Rama, Kwik-E-mart, etc. CTJF83Talk 03:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

springfield, EVERYWHERE

I'm not from the USA, but look Springfield, Ohio Springfield, Illinois Springfield, Massachusetts

stop saying its in no real state, ITS IN THREE, and in a small village in scotland

--Benjabby (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There are actually 34 cities in the US named Springfield. Theleftorium 19:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox you're currently using is very in-universe and states everything as if it is real. This is not the Simpsons wiki, a fictional settlement infobox needs to be created if there isn't one already, or one could be created directly on the page. $©@®©Ξ 03:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions? CTJF83 chat 06:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Did I not just provide two suggestions? $©@®©Ξ 03:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Chelmsford, MA

Many of the important locations within the Simpsons were influenced by Lance Wilder's hometown area of Chelmsford, MA. Residents of the area quickly recognize the similarities. I just attempted to add this information to the article, but it was reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg searle (talk • contribs) 20:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, first, according to Groening himself that information is incorrect... Secondly, do you have any reliable sources for your claims? - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


Simpsons from "Northern Kentucky"?

In season 11 episode 22 "Behind The Laughter" (a behind the scenes style parody) at about 19:17 the voice-over calls the Simpsons "... this Northern Kentucky family." Well, there are Springfields in at least Missouri, Illinois, Ohio and Tennessee - all of which have a border with Kentucky (as there is no separate state called "North Kentucky")! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.169.189 (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

there is a state called Kentucky that has a north half :P just like "North England" doesn't imply that there's a separate country from England called "north england", or a better example being like how there's a west Dundee, but it's not a separate city from Dundee. Hanii (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


I think that the "Behind the Laughter" episode should at least be mentioned in the section concerning the location. The fact that the episode states they are from Northern Kentucky is too noteworthy to not be referenced when having the dialogue on where Springfield is, even if it's a joke and we're not ever supposed to find out the true location. The Kentucky section on "Behind the Laughter's" page even mentions the possibility that the Simpsons hail from Northern Kentucky but later moved to Springfield. But this is unlikely given flashback episodes that feature young Homer and Marge and their parents (especially Abe and Mona) living in Springfield BEFORE the birth of Bart. You can't say the family moved to Springfield when the family didn't exist until Bart was born (two people do not make a family, you usually need a third and the episode refers to ALL three of the children existing when they speak of "this Northern Kentucky family" implying they are ALL from kentucky which means Maggie would have had to been born there too, prior to their moving to Springfield, none of these scenarios are possible given the show's timeline) Bart was born and raised entirely in Springfield, as were Lisa and Maggie. Even the page for that particular episode devotes an entire section to the fact they say the Simpsons are from Northern Kentucky, sometimes changed to Southern Missouri in syndication. Considering the legend surrounding the location of Springfield is a big part of the show's myth it's absurd not to at least reference in this section.--Galeforce winds13 (talk) 09:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I've reinserted this discussion point. The articles discusses where Ned Flanders says it is, but not the clear answer mentioned in an episode. Nlsanand (talk) 02:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Ned Flanders' statement is an example of how the show has consistently (and intentionally) given contradictory and impossible information about Springfield's geography over the entirety of its 20 years-and-counting history. The "Behind the Laughter" article explains in detail why the "northern Kentucky" so-called "clear answer" is no such thing. Let me repeat: It is impossible to figure out where Springfield "is". Therefore, the question is pointless. Period. YLee (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Exactly, if we gave details of every possible location, this article would never end CTJF83Talk 04:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay but we've dedicated a whole section of the article to where Springfield is, and we don't mention the one time it is explicitly said, that makes no sense. Nlsanand (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
We don't specifically put any one specific location of where it is said to be at all in the section. CTJF83Talk 03:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Again, go read "Behind the Laughter" (which you obviously haven't done despite being asked to). It explains why "explicitly said" isn't true. YLee (talk) 07:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I want to point out that there is a city called Springfield, KY, and it can definitely be considered to be in the northern half of the state.79.181.122.14 (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it should mention notable episodes that have mentioned possible locations. This is what Wikipedia is about, information and popular culture. Portillo (talk) 06:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of pop culture, and articles need to be written with that in mind. This article already discusses how the show has mentioned numerous contradictory bits of geography. There is no reason to mention any one in particular, because none stands out from the rest. We can't list them all, because doing so would vastly lengthen the article. The only practical solution is to mention none. Note that the article does cite Flanders' quote from The Simpsons Movie as an example of the impossibility of locating Springfield (which is slightly different from what we're talking about). YLee (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

You could of fooled me. Theres so much popular culture on Wikipedia its not funny. Portillo (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2009 (U "Behind the laughter"could be saying that the "real"Simpsons come from kentucky, because it was implying that the simpsons were real people who had a TV show.


Springfields Population

I have seen other episodes mention vastly different population figures-one that comes to mind is in "Sideshow Bob Roberts" Lisa receives the list of all 50,000 voters in Springfield, and who they voted for, thus meaning the population is at least 50,000, plus children who wouldnt vote and those who didnt vote at all. I think its one of those things that one could find numerous sources each contradicting the other-I'm sure I've seen other sources [read:episodes] mention different population figures. Realistically sppeaking, for all the talk of "canon" and "non canon" is applicable for major events such as Maude dying, Barney renouncing alcohol, etc but not so much for minor issues such as the population of Springfield. 220.244.94.128 (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You make a good point. Remember Bob does use dead people and pets to "vote for him". I have no problem removing it though, let's see if others weigh in. CTJF83 chat 20:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, considering Springfield's general appearance, its inspiration from Portland, Oregon, and the fact that it's a midsize city implies that Springfield would have over 100,000 population. Samhuddy (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Groening says Oregon

Around the time of the movie premier, or shortly thereafter, Groening himself said yeah, its supposed to be Springfield, Oregon. Does no one remember this? --24.20.129.18 (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Something left out

In Episode 922 Springfield is literally moved "five miles down the road" when the original Springfield gets too full of garbage to be habitable. Seems like an important tidbit of information. Someone should add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.207.225 (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Minor 1 episode joke. CTJF83 GoUSA 09:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree that minor, one-scene jokes that contradict continuity, or otherwise don't make sense, ought not to be considered fact. The town being moved, though, is built up to throughout the entire episode. (And, in fact, towns really are occasionally moved; for example, if a new dam will flood the original location.) Just as we straightforwardedly discuss Springfield having the Murderhorn, the volcanic Mount Springfield, *and* a desert "three times the size of Texas" nearby, we can briefly mention that the entire town was "moved five miles due to the ground being filled with garbage," or something like that. YLee (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Relevancy test for Wikipedia

I suggest a three-part test to decide relevancy to Wikipedia articles on the Simpsons and the world they live in. These guidelines ought to apply to Family Guy and other such shows with extensive and sometimes contradictory continuity, too.

Any factoid must qualify under at least two of three criteria:

  • Plausible - Is it even somewhat realistic (given the existence of cartoon physics)?
  • Substantial - Not just an one-off joke
  • In continuity - Does it fit with other episodes?

A few examples:

  • Springfield's 49007 zip code. Plausible (especially since it's depicted on-screen as opposed to someone just saying so), does not violate previous continuity. In.
  • The "BOOBS" zip code. While plausible, it is not substantial and does not fit previous continuity. Out.
  • The two area codes. Plausible, and substantial as an entire episode is based on them. In.
  • Springfield moved due to garbage. While stretching the degree of plausibility, towns really do move sometimes due to natural disaster and other reasons. Given that the entire episode builds up to the move, it is substantial. In.
  • Ned Flanders being in his 60s. Somewhat plausible, substantial to the episode it appears in, and Ned's muscles have reappeared at least once. In.
  • Glenn Quagmire being in his 60s. Somewhat plausible, but a one-off joke and has never been mentioned again. Out.

Plausibility should be measured on a sliding scale. If Springfield's move were only referred to once in a single line in an episode not otherwise about the move at all, we'd say that such a thing was implausible and exclude it from Wikipedia.

Thoughts? YLee (talk) 04:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree 100%, but good luck getting IPs and new users to follow...that is the problem, regular, experienced users don't add crap like that to articles. CTJF83 chat 04:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
It was specifically mentioned, and is a huge clue, regardless of whether it was a one-off joke or not. Excluding it from this page is ludicrous! 86.4.178.3 (talk) 03:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site, go here for the later. CTJF83 chat 03:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Encyclopaedias contain relevant information. This is most certainly relevant information, in fact the article's Location section is incomplete without it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.178.3 (talk) 00:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Continuity isn't particularly relevant as The Simpsons has lampooned their own disregard for continuity on numerous occasions. Also, your definition of substantiality is specious. There is no cause to say that the "BOOBS" zip code (58008) as given by Moe in dialog is more or less valid than the 49007 zip code given visually on Homer's license. Both bits of information are given in the show, and therefore of equal canonicity. However, they are both "true" as there is little regard for continuity; there is no problem of contradiction since the "facts" involved are pure fiction.

The purpose of the article is to inform, not to make rulings about what is plausible, substantial, or in continuity. If the information is relevant and canonical, it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.34.181 (talk) 02:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

We can't include every little trivial fact that comes along. This is the reason why all discussion of what state Springfield is "in" is quickly removed; since a) there is no reason to consider any one fact superior to others, and b) there are thousands of contradictory facts—far, far too many to include in an article—we exclude them all, like the camel's nose under the tent.
That said, you make a fair point about the zip codes' equal canonicity. If we get a dozen more zip codes in the future that'd be one thing, but I'll see if I can't include 58008 in the same matter-of-fact way that the article already mentions 49007. YLee (talk) 03:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd disagree about continuity not being relevant to the show. Yes, the show of course ignores it often for plot purposes (and then ignores its own ignorance in the next episode), but as the article itself mentions the show very, very much takes advantage of a "shared universe" containing people, places, and things it can rely up on to tell its many stories. There wouldn't be (the need for) hundreds of Wikipedia articles on The Simpsons-related subjects otherwise. It is possible to, within reason and while keeping an encyclopedic point of view, properly describe these subjects for an encyclopedia, and I think this article is overall a good example of how to do it right for a particularly difficult subject to chronicle. YLee (talk) 03:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Addition of town zip code reference on 5/9/10 show

I may have heard the words wrong, but it sounded to me as if the line was that the zip code backwards "spelled the word 'boobs'", which to me, meant 58008. This is "Barney, ND" in the USA - seemingly more likely (by how much, who can say ;) than the zip code given for the word "booze". Can anyone confirm the script?

Nathan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.113.135 (talk) 05:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It shouldn't appear in the article at all. Please see the above section, which codifies informal rules that have been used for Simpsons-related articles for a long time. YLee (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Nathan, it can only be two permutations for real cities, unless Springfield has a fictional Zip Code. 58008 and 60065 on a calculator are the only two which spell "boobs" and match actual US cities. The later is Northbrook, IL, a suburb of Chicago and is close to a real Springfield, but more curiously similar to the town of "Northhaverbrook". Although there is a Springfield as a suburb of the Kalamazoo driver's license zip, as well. --Closettrekker (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
No, it is no closer than any other clue to a "real" Springfield that we've seen in the show's 21 seasons. That's why Ctjf83 deleted any mention of the zip codes, in line with the consensus to delete any non-meaningful clues; they are all equally useless. And of course the zip code could be fictional; that goes without saying. YLee (talk) 08:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Quote reversion

I wanted to discuss why I reverted Scorpion0422's deletion of the quote in the Location section. I admit that I am biased, because I inserted the quote in the first place. That said, I believe it is worthy of retention for the following reasons:

  • It adds a note of humor to what is, at the end of the day, a humorous topic. At the same time, the box visibly sets the quote apart from the encyclopedic tone of the rest of the article.
  • It encapsulates into a few lines the pointlessness of ever trying to identify Springfield's state.
  • Most importantly, it is, without exaggeration, the only definitive statement on the "location" of Springfield ever made on the show. YLee (talk) 01:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I can think of other lines and jokes that define the pointlessness. For example, the five corners. Either way, per WP:QUOTE we need to be careful about quotations, and in this case, it doesn't expand/clarify a point or add a lot to the article. -- Scorpion0422 02:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I am not strongly wedded to keeping the quote. I disagree, however, on equating it with the many other jokes about Springfield's location that have been made on the show which we rightly exclude from the article. Things like Five Corners, or Ned's line about the four states that border Springfield, all contradict each other and/or are inherently impossible. The quote in question is the only time during the show's 21 seasons in which Springfield's identity is correctly, unambiguously, and uncontroversially stated, and even if the show runs another 21 years it is likely to remain the only one. (That it is itself a joke doesn't change this.) YLee (talk) 03:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I fail to understand how it "correctly, unambiguously, and uncontroversially" states where Springfield is. CTJF83 chat 03:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
That's the whole point of the joke, and why it is so effective (and accurate). Forget all the stuff about zip codes and similarities to Springfield, [insert state here] and northern Kentucky/southern Ohio. The Springfield of The Simpsons is the Springfield where the Simpson family lives. QED. YLee (talk) 03:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Kentucky

Doubtless this has been asked before, but with regard to the "Location" section of this article, can it not be noted that Kentucky is implied several times ("Behind the Laughter", "The Italian Bob", "Sweets and Sour Marge") to be Springfield's home state? I only ask because it is not merely a one-off joke, like references to so many other states; at the least it's a running gag. I was thinking of adding something like this:

While several episodes imply that Springfield is located in Kentucky or northern Kentucky, Springfield's home state has a fictitious governor, capital city, state flag, and motto -- none of which indicate any particular state of the Union.

...Speaking of which, why aren't any of the home state's fictitious attributes mentioned? --SchutteGod (talk) 22:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The archives contain several relevant discussions. Kentucky does not deserve special treatment because for every moment one can cite in its favor one can cite two other moments that contradict it, the same as with every other state. Be sure to read "Behind the Laughter", too.
The article does mention Springfield's state's governor, but you make a good point about Capital City and the state's flag (which I know has appeared on the show) and motto (which I can't recall, but would not be surprised). I think that is an artifact of when Springfield's state was a separate article and not a redirect. I supported the merge when it occurred (if nothing else, to reduce the number of places people can put fancruft into), but a section that describes the state's unambiguously known features would be worthwhile. YLee (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The motto, "Not Just Another State," is depicted as printed on the flag, but both are contradicted by a later episode which claims the flag contains a Confederate symbol. But Capital City and Mary Bailey have been consistently referenced as the state capital and governor, respectively. And my point about Kentucky was not that it is the location or should be considered a possible location; merely that the recurring references to the state in episodes may be significant as part of the running gag. --SchutteGod (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, does anyone know where it is mentioned that Mary Bailey is a Democrat? --SchutteGod (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish CTJF83 pride 19:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I95

In the episode Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge it shows I95 going through the town. Shouldn't that go in the location segment. Handbook3 (talk) 04:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

No, we don't need any more specifics about where it might be. There would be thousands of examples. CTJF83 chat 04:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Fictional State

Springfield is definitely located in a fictional state, whose abbreviation is NT, which can be seen for a very brief but clear moment at the second episode of third season ("Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington"). Right before Lisa is trying at the essay contest regional finals, they show a map of the state where Springfield is, and you can see a " NT" written on the state just as it fades to Lisa. Obviously there's no NT state in the US. --187.67.192.160 (talk) 00:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Motto?

In Coming to Homerica, I believe, there is a motto "Welcome to Springfield: Two Drink Minimum."

A joke. CTJF83 03:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Springfield as a nuclear test area

Hi, we should definitely mention that Spingfield was designated a test zone to calibrate the allied missiles in case of a nuclear war. That's stated on a secret video bart and Milhouse watch at the comic book store in the Worst Episode Ever. --24.232.194.126 (talk) 23:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It's only a 1 time mention, and therefore unnecessary trivia. CTJF83 12:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge List of locations in The Simpsons into this article

I would like to propose that we merge List of locations in The Simpsons into this article. My reason for this is that I kind of expect the material in the list of locations to be in an article about Springfield. What is an article about Springfield without mentioning Kwik-E-mart, Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, and Springfield Elementary School? --Maitch (talk) 12:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Support - At first I thought you suggested that we merge Springfield to the locations page and I would have opposed that. However, merging that page to Springfield does make sense. This article could have a "Locations featured on The Simpsons" section. And also, all of the locations in List of locations in The Simpsons that are not located in Springfield are probably not worth listing anyway (the Shelbyville rivalry can be mentioned in this article). Theleftorium (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. We already got an article about Springfield's state, so we could easily include Capital City and Shelbyville. I don't see the need to name Brockway, Ogdenville, Rigel 7 etc, but the rest fits almost verbatim. --Maitch (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

YesY Done --Maitch (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 April 2012

It has been revealed as Springfield, Oregon.


71.236.230.121 (talk) 05:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No it hasn't. See the section immediately above. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Oregon

Oregon has been confirmed as the location of the city. I have tried to add this to the article however someone keeps removing it. http://arts.nationalpost.com/2012/04/10/matt-groening-reveals-the-location-of-the-simpsons-springfield/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.97.90 (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

No. It hasn't. As have now explained twice on your talk page. Please read the actual interview. Gran2 22:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Oregon has been confirmed as location of the place it was named after, but that doesn't mean it's IN Oregon. In fact, most towns that are named AFTER other towns are actually somewhere else. HiLo48 (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9197180/The-Simpsons-creator-Matt-Groening-reveals-Springfield-Oregon-is-his-inspiration.html
'The Springfield Museum features a couch similar to the animated one shown in the show's opening credits, and a plaque marking the movie's release. "Yo to Springfield, Oregon – the real Springfield!" Groening wrote. "Your pal, Matt Groening proud Oregonian!" [...] Back then, tiny Springfield, Vermont, beat out 13 other like-named cities, including the one in Oregon, to host the movie premiere. The cities submitted videos meant to connect themselves to the fictional Springfield. When Springfield, Oregon, community-relations manager Niel Laudati was told about Groening's announcement, he said: "Oh OK, we knew that."'178.6.251.109 (talk) 10:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Nobody is denying that Springfield is based on the one in Oregon. But Groening has never specifically said that the Simpson family lives in Oregon. Besides, the show itself has denied this. There is an episode where Bart and Homer have to go to Oregon and they complain about it. -- Scorpion0422 12:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if you'd count this as canon, but I'm just gonna leave this here: https://twitter.com/#!/HomerJSimpson/status/189884512514220034 https://twitter.com/#!/HomerJSimpson/status/189886268606390272 -- the account is "verified" and run by FOX and the Simpsons creative staff. --Miikro (talk) 07:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
"There is an episode where Bart and Homer have to go to Oregon and they complain about it." - Which is part of the unreliable "facts" in the Simpson universe, just as Homer meeting God and kicking garbage bins in heaven... Addendum: As seems to be the case with anything MG said on the issue, according to the latest rush to deny everything: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Simpsons-Springfield-Not-in-Oregon-1045968.aspx So, Springfield officially is no longer in Oregon - again... ;)178.1.227.193 (talk) 08:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Minor correction needed

In the first paragragh under the Creation heading I see someone has used double quotes within double quotes. (He noted "I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, “This will be cool; everyone will think it’s their Springfield.” And they do.") This needs to be changed to single quotes within double quotes. Thank you. —Mike 16:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Gran2 13:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

State of Springfield

Based on tonight's episode, there are contradicting clues as to what state Springfield is in. The title screen says "Now Entering Oregon", however, the chalkboard gag says "The true state of Springfield is any state but yours". Also, at the end of the episode, the view zooms out from Springfield revealing it to be in the Northeastern United States. Based on these observations, I feel the article needs to say that Springfield's state is still unknown. Dough4872 01:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

It does say it is unknown. Because it isn't anywhere. Every state has already long ago been ruled as its location. It's "location" will never be revealed because it doesn't have one. I don't understand why people care so much about something that isn't real. Gran2 09:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a reference in season 13 (can't recall the episode though...sorry) where the south border is referred to Tenessee. If I can find it again, I will update the info. 88.112.189.95 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The reference was from Sweets and Sour Marge. However, The Simpsons Movie rules out the state bordering Kentucky (the state bordering Tennessee to the north), but it could possibly mean they could also be in Virginia. However, the show has not revealed the true location, so we cannot infer what state Springfield is in. Dough4872 21:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Season 24 Episode 11 explicitly states that they are not in Connecticut. Jonmobrien (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

They are not in any state, that's the point. If we listed every state they weren't in, we may as well defer to a list of states. Much like Gotham, Isla Nublar, and other similar locations, it's designed not to impeach on any state's laws, people or customs. It exists outside them all, and represents every state. drewmunn talk 12:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Add to section on Five Corners

In the article on Springfield. Mass. there is a neighbourhood named 6 corners. maybe make a nod to this in the section titled "five corners".

Cheers 68.144.9.65 (talk) 00:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)long time lurker.

I do not think that has any influence on the naming of Five Corners. Five Corners was probably meant to be a parody of Four Corners. Dough4872 01:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Why all the references to the movie

It seems in most of the sections, it says whether or not it was in the movie. Is that really worth mentioning? I suppose the term is "notable"; how is a location being briefly seen in the movie notable? four tildes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.6.131 (talk) 05:32, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Tagging

While I love the show, we do need some verification here, otherwise we don't know what is actually accurate? I'm adding a verification tag to help. Jeremy112233 (talk) 01:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Not enough pictures.

I would like to see more pictures of the sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.112.64 (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Springfield Nuclear Power Plant

While the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant was the closest nuclear plant to Portland, Oregon, and certainly could have influenced the fictional plant, the unfinished Satsop Nuclear Power Plant is a 2 hour drive away from the former Trojan plant. The now-demolished Trojan Nuclear Plant only had a single cooling tower, and was located next to the Columbia River. I was not just randomly adding a similar looking power plant here. I was adding one that was relatively close to the Trojan plant already mentioned which I feel is often overlooked as a possible influence. Like Trojan, the Satsop plant had its share of problems, in the case of Satsop, the plant was mostly completed but never opened. The design of the Satsop plant in particular, with the twin cooling towers, and location on a hill, bears a much closer resemblance to the appearance of the Springfield plant. I have lived in western Washington for 20+ years and am very familiar with both the Satsop and Trojan sites. Cascade1988 (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988

It's possible, but Wikipedia operates strict policies regarding verifiability, reliable sources and original research. What you have added is your own claim which is not, presently, supported by any third-party reliable sources. It therefore cannot be included. If you can find such a source to support your claim, by all means. Gran2 16:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, your use of the word "possible" is the problem. That's speculation, and not allowed. HiLo48 (talk) 21:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

What I do not understand though, is how "possible" is considered speculation, while "rumored" (as the article states) is not considered speculation. The article itself states that "the Springfield Nuclear Power plant was not based on the Trojan Plant or any other power plant in the country."

However, an online search of photos of the plant will show a number of similarities, and because this was the only nuclear plant constructed in Washington or Oregon with these design features, I felt that Satsop should at least be mentioned in this article, especially when you consider the fact that this facility is located relatively close to the Trojan plant. Cascade1988 (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988

I'd prefer no guesswork. Leave out all suggestions of what the power plant is modelled on. HiLo48 (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Similarities are not facts. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

HiLo48, based on what you just wrote, perhaps the references to Trojan and Hanford should be removed from the article, changing it to "The design and folly of Springfield Nuclear Power Plant is often rumored to be based on several nuclear power plants in Oregon and Washington." Everybody seems to be dead set against including the Satsop plant, while leaving the names of the Trojan plant and Hanford site in the article, even though the article itself states that the Springfield plant is not based on any specific nuclear plant.

Steve Lux, Jr. You say, "Similarities are not facts." I will not argue that. However, while the Satsop plant never opened, the fact is that the plant was nearly 75% completed when construction was halted. The physical presence of two cooling towers and two nearly completed containment buildings on a hill is fact. I am not sure where you live, but I have personally visited the Satsop site. It still has the structures standing, including the twin cooling towers. I have also personally visited the Trojan site, where the single cooling tower as well as most of the other buildings have been demolished, where there is nothing physically left for comparison. All I ask is that you take a look at pictures of both sites then compare them to the drawings of the Springfield plant.

Cascade1988 (talk) 14:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988

Even if we all went and looked, it would still be original research, which is not an adequate source for article content. We are only supposed to report what reliable sources say, not draw our own conclusions. An ideal source would be one reporting that Matt Groening had declared the Satsop plant to be the source of his inspiration. We don't have that, so should probably include nothing. HiLo48 (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree with HiLo48 (talk) on this. Cascade1988 (talk) there is no documentation to support what the power plant is modeled after. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
If there is no documentation to support what the power plant is modeled after, then Trojan and Hanford probably should not be mentioned in the article either, as neither Matt Groening or his publicists have stated that any specific power plant was the influence. Trojan in particular is often mentioned as a rumored model for Springfield simply because it was the closest one to Portland, and the only one ever constructed in Oregon. However, just because that plant is mentioned, as well as Hanford, it does not automatically mean that those two plants were the influence. Cascade1988 (talk) 20:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988
But, see, the information about the power plant in the article is published information. The rumor itself was published, whereas the information you are trying to provide is speculation and your own opinion, and is not published. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 20:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oregon

Given the show's consistent coyness – one may even say intentional contradictions – about where Springfield is, it's surprising to see here that it's definitely in Oregon. —Tamfang (talk) 01:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

That was recently added and I just removed it. While the Springfield in the show may be based on the Oregon community, the show isn't set there. -- Calidum 02:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Proof of Springfields fictivity

Is given at ~6.33min in Seas.3 Ep.2, when the map shows the perfect, four-point border crosspoint southeast of Springfield. There is only one such point in the US and the state in question has a vertical eastborder, instead of the river-adjacent shape on that map. Here you go!--85.181.182.161 (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Article says "A mid-sized town in an undetermined state of the United States"

This might actually be untrue. In Season 11, episode 22 "Behind the laughter", first aired may 21st 2000, the Simpsons family is refered to as "this northern Kentucky family" by the narrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.69.232.154 (talk) 00:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Then why are there other clues pointing at other States then ? You should re-read the article, and the sources in the refs. Xerxes (contact) 14:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Behind the Laughter was not in the regular continuity of the show; the reference to northern Kentucky referred only to the supposed Simpsons family that the regular show is supposedly based on. Not only that, but the reference to "northern Kentucky" was changed to "southern Missouri" for the first repeat of the episode, and yet other place names were recorded to substitute in and included on the DVD. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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I have demonstrated which is the actual Simpson Springfield

Please before to remove my research, read it carefully.

in 10 July 2018, after looking the episode 12x04 (Lisa the Tree Hugger), I come out with the definitive position of Springfield City. In fact, at 10m:48s of this episode it's possible to see a paradoxal panorama that gives some definitive clues on the position of Springfield. Lisa, looking forward from her position, sees in the following order: Springfield, Shelbyville, The Gateway Arch, Hollywood Hill, Mount Fuji, The Eiffel Tower, The Statue of Liberty. Tracing an imaginary line that starts from Lisa's eyes and crosses all places in the order in which they appear, it is possible to establish that the Simpsons Springfield is located in the City of Springfield in OHIO. That order gives the last clue to establish the exact position of Springfield City, vanishing any other possible ambiguity.

An interactive Map with all Markers is available at this link: yellow mark is Springfield, orange mark is Shelbyville, blue mark is The Gateway Arch, light orange mark is Hollywood Hill, green mark is Mount Fuji, dark blue mark is The Eiffel Tower and The Statue of Liberty. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pLJcrtf3abYi-Cy2io9UPsNT5Y03pKiG&usp=sharing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincenzo Lanzaro (talk • contribs) 21:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC) Vincenzo Lanzaro (talk) 05:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Vincenzo LanzaroVincenzo Lanzaro (talk) 05:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

See WP:NOR. HiLo48 (talk) 05:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually the rough position of Springfield was already given away in the Mr Plow episode. In this episode a mountain goat appears in an area apparently close to Springfield. Looking at the breeding area of these animals we see that it is limited mainly to the Northwest of the United States. They seem to be living in the states of Washington (right to the South close to Portland), Oregon (not so many), Montana, Idaho, Wyoming (very few), Nevada (very few too), Utah, Colorado and some scattered ones in South Dakota. But I think Matt Groening has meanwhile conceded that his Springfield is somehow close to Portland/Oregon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.214.228.11 (talk) 19:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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