Talk:Speyer Cathedral

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Imperial Cathedrals[edit]

->Imperial Cathedrals carry two quires, one representing the power of god with the altar, one representing the power of the emperor.<- ->The cathedral’s hallmarks are the balanced distribution of its east and west ends and the symmetrical arrangement of four towers and two quires<- ->The salic emperors did not only clame political, they also engrossed clerical power. The special in an Imperial Cathedral is that it has two quires, the usual quire on the end of the nave has a counterpart where the emperor and his entourage attended the church service, representing the balance between the power of god and the power of the emperor. The size and the glory of the cathedral emphasized the emperors pretension to power. The political conflict with the pope in Rome culminated in the Investiture Controversy between Holy Roman Emperor and Pope Gregory VII.<-

The fact with the 2 quires was missing because of ->

This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain.<-

the context between pretension for power between emperor and church (rome) (Imperial Cathedral = 2 quires) is missing in whole article what should be kept in mind when editing

East towers (=power of god) higher than west towers (=power of emperor) is missing to P.juka 17:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

Middle Ages[edit]

Needs correction (Henry III IV V, relatives, 2 quires) P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Modern times[edit]

Present[edit]

Present is almost missing P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture[edit]

Data[edit]

Data needs to be translated (ref) with words like "Vorhalle" "Langhaus" "Vierungspfeiler" etc P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spires[edit]

Lets put 2 quires in that one P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel of Saint Afra[edit]

According to Saint Afra Chapel in Speyer Cathedral, Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor was born on Saint Afras Day, what is the 5. August (although according to some missals it is on 6 August or 7 August). Wikipedia says Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor died on 5. October, what means that something on the dates must be wrong.

So lets take for sure that medieval people knew when the Saint Afras day was, cause if 1 of them wouldnt be born or dying on Saint Afras day they would have given that chapel in the imperial cathedral another name.

So, if anyone have some more holy spirit inside ;), please, examine that stuff a little further and correct the data P.juka 13:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel of Catherine[edit]

More? P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crypta[edit]

Needs lot work P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

West Facade[edit]

More P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Surroundings[edit]

work P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'n stuff[edit]

Corrections[edit]

Whole architecture: barrel vaults, vaults, dome etc. needs correction P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sagas[edit]

Where to put them to? Add Trivia Section? P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures[edit]

Any missing pictures? P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation problems[edit]

Heidentürmchen[edit]

Heidentuermchen = small tower in heathland Heathlands small tower? =no confusion with heathen (in meaning of godless) <- same problem in german P.juka 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

record[edit]

biggest surviving romanic cathedral since the destruction of cluny and no mention of it in the article?--Tresckow 00:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

organizing the article[edit]

Well,i tried to organize the article.In case of any objection,inform me on my talk page.There are many imperative things related to this cathedral which are missing.I also have doubt in information concerning architecture.I hope, someday,i'll be beautifying this article with the needed info.Anyhow,a good effort it is !!--Mike robert (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting sources[edit]

A large section of recently added material was copied and pasted directly from an ICOMOS document. This is not permissable. I have incorporated the information, and included a few short direct quotes.

Amandajm (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More on quoting and citing sources

. “The cathedral re-emerged in a more sculptural style typical of the prime of the Romanesque period.”[10] "The transept, the square of the choir, the apse, the central tower and the flanking towers were combined in a manner and size surpassing anything done before. All surfaces and edges rise without stages. The major elements within the combination remain independant.... Speyer became a model for many other church buildings but was unsurpassed in its magnificence."[11]

This is quoted as a direct quotation. Therefore, you must acknowledge the person/organistaion that is being quoted here. ie James Bloggs says "The cathedral re-emerged etc etc".

Another way around this is to rephrase the content and then cite the source.

Amandajm (talk) 08:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well done![edit]

If you add a few more refs, you could put this up for a "Featured article". (go to main page and follow the links. Be warned: The process is not pleasant.

Some reviewers like every single sentence to be referenced, which is riculous, because, obviously, you take blocks of information from sources rather than words or sentences. However, I found a classic example that said some something like:

"Tom Bloggs was born in Bristol[1] on March 18 1764,[1] to John and Mary Bloggs,[1] Baker and Pastrycook.[1]"

All referenced to the same paragraph on the same page of the same book.

Several small points of style:

Put the reference outside the punctuation (comma or full stop).
Close the gap between punc. and ref. eg "Tom Bloggs was born in Bristol.[ref]" not "...Bristol. [ref]"

The effect (if you have cited a website) can be that in the page edit view there appears to be a gap in your text. But when you check Show preview or Save, then the gap doesn't exist in the article.

With regard to pics:

Some editors greatly prefer to reduce every single pic (and often even the lead pic) to the minimum (thumb or upright). They police this as if it were a matter of singular importance to the functioning of wiki.

If you want to crowd in a great number of pics, then small is fine. Otherwise I prefer large pics for art and architectural subjects, for obvious reasons. Those people who reduce them claim that we all have the option to view at whatever size we want. and that setting the pixels counters this.

However, using the wilki options, the max is 300px. 250px is a good size for important vertical pics like the interior, or the facade. Set your big horizontals at 300px, and tell anyone who reduces them to get lost, because you can justify doing so, by quoting the style manual (which you need to know off by heart). As a concession, you then size all the less important ones at "thumb" or "upright", rather than forcing the pixel size.
You can only justify using a gallery if it contains valuable information. You need to write a short comment under each of the gallery pics.
Layout. Layouts differ greatly depending on whether you are viewing on a narrow screen or a wide shallow screen. The browser also makes a difference. If you happen to be editting on a narrow screen, then there appears to be more room for pics than there is, because the text stretches further down the page. If you want to know whether it actually works, look at it on a laptop.

Good luck,

Amandajm (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sculptures in the cathedral?[edit]

Joseph Gasser von Valhorn created five sculptures for the Speyer Cathedral in 1856. Someone should investigate whether any of those sculptures are still in the cathedral. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age of famous hymn engraving?[edit]

An 1820 book claims, without verification, that the first lines of a famous hymn to Mary, "O Sanctissima" (O barmherzige; O most holy), were already engraved at Speyer Cathedral at the time of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1090–1153).^[1] However, 1820 was already 28 years after European Magazine published the hymn in 1792, so this doesn't prove a medieval origin for the text. If the cathedral engraving really goes back to the 1100s, hopefully someone can find evidence from before the 1800s. Please feel free to report any clues here or at Talk:O Sanctissima#Claims of earlier origins. —Patrug (talk) 22:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Grimm, Ferdinand Philipp "Lothar", ed. (1820). "Das redende Marienbild zu Speier". Volkssagen und Märchen der Deutschen und Ausländer. p. 90.

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Redirect Link?[edit]

Hello Wikipedia - I'm new here (as a contributor) so pardon the ignorance, but why would this page require a redirect link to the New Cathedral in Linz?

For a cathedral in Linz, see New Cathedral, Linz.

As far as I can tell, there is no likely cause for confusion or obvious relation between the two cathedrals. Am I missing something? Berflyer (talk) 18:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grimm, Ferdinand Philipp "Lothar", ed. (1820). "Das redende Marienbild zu Speier". Volkssagen und Märchen der Deutschen und Ausländer. p. 90.

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