Talk:Solvation shell

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Solvation number[edit]

I see that some section containing a calculation of the solvation number has been removed due to being unreferenced. I think a cn tag could have been placed instead of removing the useful content.--85.121.32.1 (talk) 08:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:BURDEN. Do not restore unsourced content without adding a source. I've pasted it below. Jytdog (talk) 00:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is unsourced. Cut from article and pasted here per V

Solvation number

The solvation number could be determined from the compressibility of the solvent and solution.

$n_{s}=(1-{\frac {\beta }{\beta _{0}}}){\frac {n_{i}}{n_{0}}}$

where $\beta$ and $\beta _{0}$ denote compressibilities of solution and the solvent and $n_{i}$ and $n_{0}$ the amounts of solvate and solvent.

- Jytdog (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The proof steps of this formula can be mentioned here (as mentioned in a Romanian language source which does not make further reference to other language sources). It remains that this formula be harmonized with the below mentioned formula from a Russian source that is also mentioned in another Romanian source where I've encountered without proof.--82.137.9.151 (talk) 18:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First step: definitions

a) the hydration water as a fraction of the total amount of water

$V_{h}=V_{0}{\frac {n_{s}n_{i}}{n_{0}}}$

b) the compressibility of pure water

$\beta _{0}=-{\frac {1}{V_{0}}}\left({\frac {\partial V_{0}}{\partial P}}\right)_{T}$

c) the compressiblity of the water in solution excluding the hydration shell water

$\beta =-{\frac {1}{V_{0}}}\left({\frac {\partial (V_{0}-V_{h})}{\partial P}}\right)_{T}$

d) final formula

$\ n_{s}=(1-{\frac {\beta }{\beta _{0}}}){\frac {n_{i}}{n_{0}}}$ .--82.137.15.250 (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Final steps: substitutions of Vh/(solvation number) from the first definition and the compressibility of the pure solvent/water from the second definition into the third relation and some rearrangements give the final formula.--82.137.14.98 (talk) 20:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Several formulae harmonization[edit]

It seems that there are several derivations which need harmonization. A supplementary formula and derivation is to be found in a Russian language source which waits to be checked as discussed on User talk:R8R Gtrs#Hidration.--82.137.10.242 (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The following formula (from a Romanian source which points to a Russian source) about solvation shell the solvation number z (or n_s), densities rho and compressibilities beta, molar masses of water and solution M, M0 and the mass concentration varrho of the dissolved ionic compound:

z={\frac {\rho -\rho _{0}{\frac {\beta }{\beta _{0}}}-\varrho _{1}}{\varrho _{1}}}{\frac {M}{M_{0}}}

needs to be harmonized with the first formula from above. The harmonization has to lead to a unique equation or to show the connection/interconversion between the two equalities.--82.137.15.79 (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources list[edit]

A list of articles re solvation number of ions:

[1]

--185.53.198.232 (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]