Talk:Sledgehammer (Fifth Harmony song)

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Former good article nomineeSledgehammer (Fifth Harmony song) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Review Question[edit]

  • @Cartoon network freak:@LikeGaga: Is this article still under review? When I click on the link, it leads to a review that has already been closed (i.e. the second GA attempt). Was this meant to be a third GA attempt? I was just confused by this whole thing tbh. Aoba47 (talk) 17:23, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Cartoon network freak: Thank you for your response. I was pretty sure it was an error, but I did not want to mess with anything before it was made absolutely sure. Aoba47 (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sledgehammer (Fifth Harmony song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cartoon network freak (talk · contribs) 21:32, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Please see Talk:Problem (Ariana Grande song)/GA1 or Talk:Hands to Myself/GA1 for reasons why this failed. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:45, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sledgehammer (Fifth Harmony song)/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Diplomat's Son (talk · contribs) 05:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Sledgehammer" is admittedly one of the few songs I enjoy by them; slight bias aside, the article seems like a standard candidate at first glance. Maybe third time's the charm? This is my first GA review, so I'm using "Can't Get You Out of My Head" as a reference.

Lead

"Musically, "Sledgehammer" is an EDM song with synthpop, new wave and 1980s pop music style influences." → "Musically, "Sledgehammer" is a synthpop song with influences of EDM, new wave and 1980s pop music."

  • I'm more inclined to categorize it as synthpop with EDM leanings. The former is mentioned more frequently (1, 2).

"Its lyrics use a sledgehammer as a metaphor to express the physical effects caused by excessive love." → "Its lyrics utilize a sledgehammer metaphor to describe the effects of being infatuated"

  • Narrative suggests an intense crush rather than something more deeply romantic; PopCrush, Singles Jukebox and Idolator make reference to this. Rewording is more general.

"The visual portrays each member as a silhouette and they sing in a swing set, among other scenes. Critics noted the video's simple aesthetics as part of a growth in the group's visuals." → "It features silhouette visuals and the members swinging on a scaffold, among other scenes. Critics noted the video's simple aesthetics as a growth in the group's visuals."

Background and composition

  • I know that it's a simple pop song, but this section could use some insight from the writers or even the band members themselves. On a quick cursory Google search, there's this and this that you could pull quotes from. Songfacts is not a reputable source, obviously, but original references are easily found.

"The group's vocals were produced and recorded by Heberg, Mason, Jr. and Andrew Hey at Windmark Recording Studios in Santa Monica, California." → "The group's vocals were produced and recorded by the latter pair along with Andrew Hey at Windmark Recording Studios in Santa Monica, California."

  • Just minimizing redundancy.

"Sledgehammer"'s synthpop production contains an uptempo EDM beat with new wave and 1980s music influences, along with heavy synths" → ""Sledgehammer" is a heavy synthpop production backed by an EDM beat, taking influence from new wave and 1980s music."

  • No mention of "uptempo" in the sources. The Hyndman article from MTV News is an unneeded reference in this sentence, only mentions the song having a "fun pop vibe".

"Lyrically, the song uses a sledgehammer as a metaphor to express physical effects caused by excessive love. This can be noted specially during the chorus: "If you take my pulse right now, it would feel just like a sledgehammer." → "Lyrically, the song expresses the physical sensations of being infatuated, comparing it to a sledgehammer motif: "If you take my pulse right now, it would feel just like a sledgehammer.""

  • Change "the kind of love" to "a kind of love".

Critical

  • Missing quotation mark after (2013).

"that lacked in the group's previous single "Boss"." → "that was lacking in the group's previous single, "Boss"."

  • "perfectly" to "perfect"

"In a 2017 article published on Idolator, Mike Neid placed the song in his "should have been bigger" category, stating that the track was one of the group's most "underrated"." → "In a 2017 article published on Idolator, Mike Neid covered the song in the website's "Should Have Been Gigger" feature, stating that the track was one of the group's most "underrated".

  • There are other contributors to that section.
  • Change "although one of their lyrics" to "though one of the lines", remove comma after "stated that".

Commercial performance

"chart at number 28 and peaked at number 21 in December 2014, becoming their highest position on the chart and surpassing their debut single "Miss Movin' On" (2013)." → "chart at number 28, and peaked at number 21 in December 2014, becoming their highest position–surpassing their debut single "Miss Movin' On" (2013) at the time."

  • The next two sentences after "Miss Movin' On" need sources.

"It eventually rose to a peak of 40 on its fifth week on the chart with sales of 85,000, aided by a price reduction on digital download sites, which reported a 277 percent spike in sales." → "It eventually rose to a peak of 40 in its fifth week on the chart, with sales of 85,000–aided by a price reduction on digital download services, which reported a 277 percent spike in sales."

  • Next sentences over, change it to "it has since been surpassed by "Worth It" (2015) and "Work from Home" (2016)."
  • Canadian and Swedish certifications need sources.

Music video

  • "onto" → "to"
  • Omit the "Scenes in the visual..." sentence but incorporate the citation in the video summary.
  • The next two sections are... highly repetitive and excessive. I quickly reviewed the music video and mentions of one-second scenes aren't necessary. It's a non-linear video. I quickly rewrote it down here, but feel free to condense as you wish.

"The music video makes extensive use of Fifth Harmony as backlit silhouettes; these scenes alternate between a simple backdrop and pyramid steps. The group is seen swinging on a scaffold as individual close-ups of the members are interspersed, some featuring a unicorn sculpture prop. Choreographed dance moves include the members pounding their chest to the lyric, "If you could take my pulse right now, it would feel like a sledgehammer". The visual is intercut with a shirtless man wielding a sledgehammer, and a member facing a large fan machine, both scenes silhouetted. Writing for Billboard, Lipshutz said the video's monochromatic setting allows the group to "demonstrate their maturity". He also states that the video is "more of a relax fest" and called the "giddiness radiation" of the girls "pretty infectious"."

Live performances

  • Prose just needs rewording, I made a quick copy edit but again feel free to make your own changes; include specific dates; Today Show and The Talk need citations. I suggest adding a comma before mid-sentence citations, or moving them to the end. Jingleball references needed as well (besides New York).

"Fifth Harmony premiered "Sledgehammer" at the 2014 MTV Europe Music Awards pre-show on November 9, 2014. The following week, the group performed the song on Good Morning America, with an acoustic rendition on Access Hollywood Live thereafter. Nearly a month later, a stripped down jazz version was performed on VH1's Big Morning Buzz Live, and they closed the year out with "Pitbull's New Year's Revolution" that aired on Fox. Upon the release of Reflection in January 2015, the group made performances of "Sledgehammer" on The Today Show and The Talk. While promoting the album in Australia, the group presented the song on Sunrise and subsequently on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. "Sledgehammer" also appeared on the setlist for Fifth Harmony's performances at the 2015 New York, Atlanta, Chicago, and Sunrise, Florida Jingle Ball concerts. It was included on the setlist for the group's international headlining tours, the Reflection Tour and the 7/27 Tour."

Conclusion[edit]

Rest of the article is good. Altogether, a standard pop article. Fixes are pretty easy, and I will pass the article after they are made. 05:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to edit the article tomorrow, I'm sorry for the lateness - @Diplomat's Son: - UrbanJE (talk) 12:32, 04 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Diplomat's Son:, I'm so so so sorry for this late response. I've been very busy lately, so I couldn't sit and check everything. I had take a pause of 30 minutes to fix the article, I'm really grateful for you review, I've been waiting for months for this moment. Thank you so much. Can you check it now, please?- UrbanJE (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aircorn, reviewer Diplomat's Son hasn't edited in nearly three months, stopping only a handful of days after opening this review. A new reviewer is clearly needed to finish the review. (This was Diplomat's Son second GA review, so the new reviewer should probably doublecheck to be sure nothing was missed.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will look into it when I get a chance. AIRcorn (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One-month checkup on this one, Aircorn. dannymusiceditor oops 21:47, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Got busy in real life. Will work on this over the weekend. AIRcorn (talk) 09:48, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Second review[edit]

  • During a live stream on October 23, 2014, Fifth Harmony announced that "Sledgehammer" would be serviced as the second single from their debut studio album, Reflection (2015). What is meant by serviced?
  • They described it as a transition from their precedent single "Boss" (2014) Transitioning from what to what?
  • Little confused with the songwriting credits. Trainer says she wrote it for her solo album, yet two other men are also credited. Did they help her write it or did they make changes for Fifth Harmony.
  • later called Title (2015) Why do we need the later called, we don't say that it was previously called anything?
  • She offered it to Fifth Harmony. Was this freely or did she get some financial or other benefit from this.
  • The group's vocals were produced and recorded by Heberg, Mason, Jr. and Andrew Hey Is Heberg a typo for Jeberg? If not it needs his full name. Same with Mason Jr. A wikilink for Mason and Hey would be good if they exist.
  • She praised the group's performance, commending that their distinctive voices sound "perfectly", Perfectly does not work. You might be better off just using perfect.
  • but expressed that the single fell "completely into average territory." It would be better to say why she found it average rather.
  • becoming their highest position–surpassing their debut single "Miss Movin' On" (2013) at the time This doesn't read write. Maybe remove becoming? "at the time" isn't really needed either.
  • The group is subsequently standing in a pyramid stair, Whats a pyramid stair?
  • The video continues with repeating several scenes with the negative special effects becoming more present. Grammar? Maybe just awkwardly worded?
  • the silhouette one of the group is seen with a fan blowing air towards her confuses singular and plural
  • Lipshutz said the video's monochromatic setting allows the group to "demonstrate their maturity". Does he say how this shows maturity?
  • I think the description of the music video could be tightened some. It doesn't need to go into too much detail, just highlight the key scenes. Some of that gets lost in the particulars.
  • and on The Ellen DeGeneres Show How does that tie in with the Sunrise or the Australian promotion. Was DeGeneres in Australia?
  • Set list or setlist?
  • Some none free rational missing from the silhouette picture.
  • No obvious copyright violations.

Sorry for the delay in finishing the review. AIRcorn (talk) 10:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will give this one more week and if I get no response I will fail it. AIRcorn (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Failing AIRcorn (talk) 06:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]