Talk:Siege of Minerve

Siege of Minerve has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: January 31, 2018. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Siege of Minerve/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wilhelmina Will (talk · contribs) 09:04, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria[edit]

Well-written:

With the issue/s below having been addressed and fixed, the article satisfies MOS policy for grammar, as well as general layout and structure. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 04:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

Verifiable with no original research:

The article references several reputable sources. With the concerns on citations expressed below having been addressed and explained, I am confident there is no original research or otherwise unverifiable claims incorporated into the text. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 04:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

(c) it contains no original research

Broad in its coverage:

The article seems to adequately cover all the basics one would expect for a topic such as this. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Since its creation back in September last year, the article has not been subjected to edit warring or other disruptive editing behaviour. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 09:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

The one image used in this article at present is freely licensed, and relevantly illustrates part of the location connected to the event discussed in the article. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Comments[edit]

"Minerve had become an important place of refuge for Cathar perfectus, which seems to have influenced Simon's decision to attack the city, as it was not of major strategic importance." It might just be me, but as it's written I'm having trouble understanding that last part of the statement. If Minerve being a place of refuge for Cathar perfectus was not of major strategic importance, per se, then why was it considered an influence on Simon's decision?

Maybe I could try to rephrase this in a day or two when I get more time. Basically, it wasn't very important in military terms, but Simon just wanted to capture and convert heretics. There were a lot of them in Minerve, which seems to be why he attacked it. Display name 99 (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelmina Will, I've added more detail here that should hopefully clear it up and add some more context. How does the rest of the article look? Display name 99 (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That helps a great deal; as I noted in the summary to my own recent edit, the choice of wording prior to the additional context was of a more encyclopedic style; only the additional context was required. The rest of the article looks fine; with a few exceptions I usually have already read a nomination's text in full before I start pointing out things like this. :) Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 04:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"On the west, a rock thrower called a petraria was used, possibly for the first time in military history." I think a statement such as this ought to be followed directly by a citation. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't see the need to cite the same source twice in a row. The source is Marvin 2009 p. 78, which comes after the next sentence. Both sentences are to the same source, and I don't see why we need to repeat. Display name 99 (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 03:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Believing this article to have satisfied the GA criteria, I hereby pass it as of this review. Congratulations! Says the 21st century, "I'm 18 and I like it!" (talk) 04:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]