Talk:Shoelace knot

This article was nominated for deletion on 23 January 2011. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Cleanup[edit]

Whilst I agree that the knot is notable and would have !voted keep of the nomination had not already been withdrawn, I think there is a little tidying up to do. Specifically, this article duplicates the subject already at Shoelaces#Shoelace_tying, and some links to Reef knot should now direct to this page inclding, but probably not limited to, the Bow knot redirect. I42 (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC) [Originally posted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shoelace knot] — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Makepeace (talk • contribs)

Bow knot currently redirects to Shoelace knot and I have now added a {main article} template to Shoelaces#Shoelace_tying. Further cleanup is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Makepeace (talk • contribs) 17:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have never used this knot, don't enough anyone who does[edit]

It's possible that the tying of shoelace knots is regional or cultural, varying from place to place. That said, I have never used this knot to tie my laces, neither has anyone in my family (east-coast, United States). No-one in my wife's family has either (Wales, United Kingdom), nor have any of our friends. In fact, no-one I spoke to or shared this article with recognized this knot or was able to tie it from the diagram provided. Are we sure this is THE shoelace knot, the only one it is appropriate to feature in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.22.133 (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are many possible variations and elaborations, but this is the most basic simple commonly-used version. I'm not sure what you use instead -- silver buckles? AnonMoos (talk) 06:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The original comment is slightly ambiguous, but I believe 86.179.22.133 may be reacting to the diagram, which they do mention, showing the second half of the knot being tied by the "Tom fool" method. Despite its presence on the web (and this article) I suspect the method is less known among the world's shoe-tyers than others. I do tend to agree with the commenter about the title of this article. I am going to propose the article be renamed Bow knot. --Dfred (talk) 11:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Feel free to change the image caption to "Steps in one method of tying shoelaces", if you want. AnonMoos (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal that this article be renamed "Bow knot"[edit]

This article seems to be about the Bow knot (ABOK #1212). I propose the article be moved to that title and discuss specifically that knot. Other knots used for shoelaces can be listed in a section of shoelaces, be moved to List of shoelace knots, etc. The current article title Shoelace knot can be redirected there. Thoughts? --Dfred (talk) 12:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The change could be made, but I'm not sure I see any great need to do so, since this is the most basic simple commonly-used knot used to tie shoelaces (and therefore the shoelace knot, though not of course the only one ever used). It can be used for other things, but the use which many millions encounter day after day in their personal lives is for tying shoelaces. If File:Tie_shoelace.png shows a less commonly used method of tying the knot, then that could be explained, but the end result of the method is the same knot, right? AnonMoos (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Ian knot"[edit]

@Futhark: The source already on the page refers to it as the Ian knot, so why did you revert my edit [1]? --User J Dalek 22:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The source you indicated is Ian's own website. I saw no reason to remove that as an external reference; it is a useful resource about the article's topic. Direct mention of the "Ian knot" in the body of the article would, however, need to be supported by more than what Ian calls the way he ties a shoelace. --Futhark|Talk 22:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, the way in which a shoelace knot is tied does not change the knot, itself. If there are different methods for tying a shoelace knot that vary in noteworthy extent, they might justify a subheading. Again, though, the inclusion of a method in it would require proper substantiation. --Futhark|Talk 15:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Granny bow[edit]

Does the granny bow occur in the almighty book of knots? If so what number? I would like a reference for that evil thing. The granny is in it, but I did not find the granny bow. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I Don't the almighty book of knots but the Granny knot is what results when the square knot is done incorrectly. Look at the picture and ignore the bows- to see the square knot in the center / core of the knot. look at other sites, a granny bow will have its loops hang up and down instead of side to side on the shoe. Wfoj3 (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Heel Lock[edit]

If you get a chance, please add the heel lock. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/extra-shoelace-holes-lace-heel-lock-video_n_7254758.html -WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 19:32, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Especially for bow ties"[edit]

In the second approach (of three) to tying the finishing half-hitch, i retained intact the following wording

form a loop at one of the ends of the initial half-hitch, circle it with the other end, which is simultaneously folded into a second loop that is then pushed through the knot.

but i can't tie a bow tie, nor grasp what this describes; perhaps someone who can will please check that it makes sense, and note that here in this talk section.
--Jerzy•t 10:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]