Talk:Shakopee (Dakota leaders)

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Lawrence Taliaferro's papers indicate that an Ojibwe of this name guided the 1834 crew that surveyed part of the Prairie du Chien line. He indicated that his band ranged from the St. Croix throughout the area roughly north of the line, past the Mississippi. In the 1850s, the Minn. Territory militia unit commanded by James Starkey attacked an Ojibwe party in the Chisago area and resulted in the death of a white man, after which a man of this name was held at Ft. Snelling. Carl Zapffe's book on the 1837 treaty indicates that this man used a pictograph that indicated sextuplets, although I believe this was the author's own interpretation; the pictograph indicates six heads above the figure of a woman. A Jack-o-pa/Chagobay/Six is consistently associated with the St. Croix Ojibwe in treaties and Indian Agency materials. There is a Dakota of the "Six" name who figures consistently in missionary and Indian Agency materials in association with the Minnesota River in this same period. Linda Bryan, Maplewood, Minnesota.

Eagle Head[edit]

If you have any sources confirming that Eagle Head took on the name Shakopee, please share the source. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence that Shakopee II was the biological son of Ozaawindib[edit]

I have searched far and wide for any source connecting Shakopee / Shakpe / Zhaagobe with Ozaawindib or Beautifying Bird, but have been unable to find anything.

Is it possible that, like some of the other family lines, the intermarriage and adoption between the Dakota Shakpe family and the Ojibwe actually happened much, much earlier (e.g. a few generations before Shakopee I when there were other chiefs named Shakpe)?

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Shakopee was the biological twin of Beautifying Bird. They were sons of the Ojibwa leader Ozaawindib "Yellow Head".^{[citation needed]} His father gave him to the Dakota in order to forge an alliance with the band, and to provide them with a hereditary chief.

As an adult, Shakopee identified equally as being both Ojibwa and Dakota. He had been adopted by Shakopee I as his son.^{[citation needed]} In Ojibwe, he was called Zhaagobe. His descendants who identified as Ojibwa rather than Dakota are known by the surname of "Shaugobay," also spelled "Shagobince".

Shakopee II was forced to identify exclusively as Dakota, because he was representing them in negotiations and treaties with the United States.^{[citation needed]} Cielquiparle (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Dakota chief Shakopee and the St. Croix Ojibwe chief Zhaagobe had very similar names, as they were both known as "Six." However, they were not the same person. For this reason, the content on the Ojibwe chief has been split out onto a separate page. The further question, then, is whether the Snake River chief Zhaagobe or "Six" was actually the twin brother of Beautifying Bird. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should those be one article?[edit]

It seems to me that we should have separate articles on each person.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, they should be separate articles. oncamera _{(talk page)} 04:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]