Talk:Seán Brady (cardinal)

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D.D.[edit]

Where did Dr Brady receive his doctorate of Divinity? It does not appear to mention it in the body of the article.

Rome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.35.224 (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unkind Profile[edit]

I hope that it is not impertinent of me, as a member of the Church of Ireland, to comment on the article, but there does seem to be some bias. Today's Irish Times describes Dr Brady as "a genuinely humble, friendly, good humoured man" and continues that, "his popularity generally and among his colleagues in the Irish Bishops' Conference is rooted in those qualities as well as in his basic decency." The period since Dr Brady was installed as Archbishop "has been extraordinarily difficult for the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, but might have been worse but for the genial personality of its primate." Millbanks 15:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of the unfair and unkind stuff has been removed. Many thanks to whoever did it. But I had to delete a nasty obscenity just now. Obviously someone has it in for the Archbishop. Millbanks 09:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"unfair and unkind" to someone who helped Brendan Smyth continue his vicious abuse of children? Cry me a river! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4F00:113A:5A1:A798:B485:213E (talk) 06:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In response to the above may I quote the Dr Brady myself "I would remember that child sex abuse is a very serious crime and very grave and if I found myself in a situation where I was aware that my failure to act had allowed or meant that other children were abused, well then, I think I would resign" - Art: "Murray expected to resign" -Irish Times Monday, December 7, 2009. And yet he was at a meeting in 1975 where he obviously knew two children were being abuse and did not report it to the Gardai and worse still convinced the children to sign sworn statements that they would never speak of it again. How many more children did Fr. Brendan smith go on to abuse. He needs to resign NOW!. I think people (especially the abuse children robbed of a childhood) have every right to have 'it in for the Archbishop'. How can you not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.106.41 (talk) 15:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He "can not" because at the time, the Cardinal was a very young priest who hadn't even been ordained ten years. He was one of the most junior members of the committee and had no choice but to do what his superiors told him. He is no more responsible for the actions of that committee than the most junior German Private was responsible for the actions of the Nazi Generals during WW2.greg78uk 19:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While he may not be responsible for the actions of the committee, he did have a personal choice that the German Private did not have -- to notify the police of a crime with some expectation that they would investigate and act upon that report. The decision to make an abuse report can be difficult even when one is not the victim, but the serious nature of the offense means that the report is a necessary action. Including information about both his accomplishments and his failures seems to be fair. Larry B (talk) 05:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

“He was one of the most junior members of the committee and had no choice but to do what his superiors told him.” I'm a layperson and I don't have time to study the bible, but whilst at mass last Sunday the priest recounted the story of Nicodemus. A member of the Pharisees who listened and spoke out against his fellow members on behalf of the persecuted Jesus. The priest twisted the story to try and state that we should listen to what Brady has to say. When it was obvious that the story was about speaking out against your peers and peer pressure on behalf of those not strong enough, or in a position to stand up for themselves. The children that were forced to sign the sworn statement in front of Brady and others were 4 and 10 years old. Now explain to me again how he had no choice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.137.97 (talk) 09:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of abuse allegations?[edit]

I was surprised that this article had no mention of the allegations against Cardinal Brady relating to knowledge of sexual abuse in the church. It was reported today that he is being sued by one of the victims for failing to report what he knew, and that a victims' support group recommended he resign his position. [1] Robofish (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added a one-sentence paragraph relating to that.Autarch (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He won't be resigning. Get used to it. The DPP cannot proceed with a case against him, because guess what? HE DID NOTHING WRONG. What would you have done in his position? Let me guess, you'd be able to read the future and would have left the priesthood for fear of what would happen in 35 years' time... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.35.224 (talk) 00:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What an absolutely absurd claim. He knew that children had been raped, and he knew that the church was trying to cover it up. He had both a moral and a legal duty to go to the police. By failing to do so, he is an accessory after the fact to the rapes, and a co-conspirator to the cover-ups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4F00:113A:5A1:A798:B485:213E (talk) 07:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he did. He didn't report his knowledge of the sexual rape of a 10 and 4 year old child to the police. If not legalistically wrong it’s immoral completely immoral. Even if he was a layperson it would be immoral, but from a man who claims to direct our moral compass it’s totally wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.137.97 (talk) 10:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He seems to have spoken out about the abuse problem in the church, see this article, with this quote:
  • “The lives of survivors of child sexual abuse, the faith of members of the church and the credibility of church leadership have all been wounded grievously by the evil deeds of priests and religious [leaders] who exploited their position to wreak havoc on the lives of helpless children,” said Sean Brady, the Irish Catholic primate, who faces calls for his own resignation after it emerged that he had concealed knowledge of a pedophile priest in the 1970s.
  • I think this is appropriate to add to the article. My purpose in suggesting we add this is to give as full an accounting of the twists and turns, not to defend him with his words or condemn him for what may appear to be hypocrisy. As an aside, it would be incredibly helpful if someone could find a reliable source that talks about (any) church organizations justifying internal processes for investigations of criminal acts that result in the guilty party given a "punishment" which falls short of the legal standard for the crime. if a layperson molests children serially, and its proved in court, they go to prison, not a lower ranking job. Does anyone know if its official policy for the Church to not hold their priesthood to societal standards, or is this a lapsing of official policy? im really serious here, not being sarcastic.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This BBC article has a link to Sean Brady's full statement regarding the abuse and his reporting of it. It also reports that he omitted to pass information on to the police and the relevant parents whilst passing that information up the church heirarchy. EdwardLane (talk) 09:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of Facebook Campaign[edit]

It is mentioned in the article that there have been calls for the Cardinal to resign from different parties. Unless you are going to list every single one of those calls for his resignation with details of who is making them, then listing one single campaign that someone has started on a social network site is not appropriate. It is blatent advertising, clearly attempting to entice people reading the article to visit the page and join the group. Advertising is forbidden on Wikipedia.greg78uk 18:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

The man's name is Seán Brady (or Seán Baptist Brady). ", Cardinal" is not part of his name. Nor is ", Archbishop of Armagh" part of his name. (Nor are other titles such as "Bachelor of Arts" and "Doctor of Canon Law" nor other offices such as "President of the Irish Episcopal Conference" part of his name.) So these items should not be given as his name, as in this edit. Besides, uniformity with the Wikipedia entries for other cardinals (which are in line with MOS:HONORIFIC) should be observed. Esoglou (talk) 10:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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