Talk:Scott Fischer

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Dead Links[edit]

The two external links on this article are 404s. Removed. Also, should a reference be in a foreign language since this is the English version of WP? The reference goes to a German-language newspaper archive. ScarletRibbons (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article could do with more refs, and there are numerous newspaper hits, including this from the New York Times, but they are mostly from the immediate aftermath, when he was thought dead but not yet confirmed - and they conflict in details with what the article says about his death, which is presumably derived from the books and thus well-founded. There's also material about the people who bought Mountain Madness and the later fortunes of the company. Further digging might turn up more usable references on his life. As to foreign-language sources; they are fine if there is no better English-language source, or as further support in addition to English-language sources, but someone adding one should always be prepared to translate the crucial passage and sometimes it's a good idea to go ahead and quote and translate a snippet in the footnote. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have developed a Conflict of Interest in this matter[edit]

A Wikipedia contributor, Peaceray (talk · contribs), has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. This user's editing has included contributions to this article. Relevant guidelines include Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Verifiability. (COI declared here.)

I am hereby declaring that I now have a conflict of interest in editing this article. While I was acquainted with a family member of Scott Fischer at the time that I was editing this article, I subsequently developed a closer friendship with this person. I am cognizant of WP:COI and WP:NPOV, and cherish and revere WP:RS and WP:V. I adhere to those Wikipedia guidelines, and have read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide before making this declaration.

In the interest of full disclosure, at the time, I had lengthy discussions with the family member, who wanted to improve what she felt was an incomplete and sometimes inaccurate portrayal of Scott Fischer. I explained to her the importance of verifiability and reliable sources. After some time, she sent me a document that contained substantial text to add to this article with a lot of citations. While the gist of the text was good, it was not ready for Wikipedia prime time. I heavily edited it, put all references into citation formats, reordered the text into different sections, removed all quotes (which I deemed to be unencyclopedic), found additional citations and an appropriate quote, and, above all, Wikified it. While the family member's work formed the original basis for the additions, I believe that I substantially transformed it in concord with Wikipedia's guidelines.

There are two types of edits that I will reserve for myself. The first is adding an image of Scott Fischer, which I will work to get onto Commons with the appropriate licensing. I may post a request on this talk page, or ask a fellow editor to add it once it is on Commons, but I may add it myself if enough time passes before its inclusion.

The second type of edit that I reserve for myself relates to the banner at the top of this talk page, which states "While the Biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter." In the history of this article, one can find misstatements about the family's wishes regarding Scott Fischer's body, complete with citations. However, whenever I followed those citations, I found that they did not refer to Scott Fischer, but rather to Rob Hall and his widow's wish that his body remain on Mt. Everest. Rob Hall also died in the same 1996 Mount Everest disaster. To the best of my knowledge, Scott Fischer's family has never made a public statement regarding his body. To the best of my personal knowledge, they do wish to bring his body down from Everest in a dignified and respectful manner. Therefore, I will remove at the earliest opportunity any allegation that the family wishes Scott Fischer's body to remain on the mountain that lacks verification from a reliable source, in the spirit of WP:BLP that advises against including "contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends."

Peaceray (talk) 04:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Description problem on iPhone app[edit]

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On the iPhone WP mobile app, under Fischer's name is listed the description "blond hair and chiseled nose" as a subtitle. I found that these words were placed in the persondata, and I removed them, but they still show up on the app version of the article, even though I can't find them anywhere else in the article and even though I've repeatedly refreshed the article on the phone. If anyone knows how to solve this problem, please tell me so I can fix it. Thanks! Aristophanes68 (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aristophanes68, this sounds like a cache issue. I would google how to clear your iPhone's cache, which should solve the issue. Primefac (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that if you are not logged in & are accessing Wikipedia as an IP address, you will have different latency experiences in terms of retrieval of the cache database, which will be very speedy but not the most current edits. Not accounting for browser caching, logged-in editors will be looking at the most recent version of Wikipedia, so that any updates made immediately before the retrieval request (displaying the article, in simpler terms) will be shown. This retrieval/display may typically take a bit to load. For folks who are not logged, the retrieval will be made from the Cassandra instance that holds a cache. This should provide a very speedy retrieval / display, but the information will not be the latest, as there is a delay in between the time an article is updated & when the latest version makes it into the cache Casandra database. Peaceray (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Witnessed fall[edit]

Hello, ‎158.222.236.181. Thanks for taking an interest in this article. Unfortunately, personal recollections by Wikipedia editors such as Fischer's fall that you described are not permitted in articles. Everything in any article must be based on reliable published sources, not personal experiences. Perhaps you might know of a published source that describes this accident. Such material could be used as a source, but only to summarize information contained in the source, but not additional details from one's personal experience. I acknowledge your good faith in contributing and hope you'll take an interest in making further contributions. You can view this information to learn more about Wikipedia. DonFB (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]