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Abbr in infobox[edit]

I changed the QB abbreviation in the infobox to Quarterback because I think it is better to use the full name as opposed to the abbreviation as it gives more detail to somebody who may not be familiar with the sport well enough to know abbreviations. My change was reverted. I am going to change it back in hopes the person who reverted my change will comment here before reverting back. This definitely isn't something to get into a revert war over.↔NMajdan•talk 23:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it, because we are using abbreviations for football positions basically everywhere on Wikipedia, and since “QB” links to quarterback everyone who does not know what “QB” means knows where to look. By the way, someone who does not know anything about football won't know what a “quarterback” is anyway. He will have to read the quarterback article whether we write “Quarterback” in this article's infobox or not. ––Bender235 08:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I still think when we have enough room, and there is more than enough in this template, we should try to not use abbreviations. But, I'm not too concerned about it.↔NMajdan•talk 16:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee[edit]

I don't think the fact that Bradford is Cherokee has anything to do with his football carrer. Articles such as Malcolm Kelly or Jason White dont mention their race. I am going to delete the part about his 1/16th Cherokee blood and this grandma Walkingstick in a few days if no one has any comments against it.--CPacker (talk) 23:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, very few Native Americans are the starting QB for a major university. Now, if there was a source that said this, I would think it would be worth mentioning in the article. But, you're right, just saying he's Cherokee probably shouldn't be in there. We need a source that says why this is significant.↔NMajdan•talk 15:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Nmajdan that the fact that Bradford is Native American is worth to be mentioned, although not in the lead. --Bender235 (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for changing it Bender235, it is alot better now.--CPacker (talk) 20:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be metioned this person is a Native American. Because not everyday you see a Native American as a starting QB for a major University. It is significant for Natives across America to know this fact. I would not have know this if I did not see this little history linked from the Heisman Voting site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.59.80.10 (talk) 22:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not you think his Cherokee heritage needs to be mentioned there is a mistake.

If his great grandmother is full cherokee, then one of his grandparents is half cherokee. This would mean one of his parents if one quarter cherokee making bradford one eighth cherokee.

So, the article should mention he is 1/8 Cherokee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.88.2 (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Times article (the last citation on the page) offers a correction. At least one other Native American was quarterback for a D-I school, Greg Maddux. This should be corrected.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.81.186 (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2008

Included that information from the NY Times article. How is the personal section of this article now? BlueAg09 (Talk) 03:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AP Player of the Year Award[edit]

There seems to be some confusion about this award and the Heisman. A certain user made edits that show Vessels, Owens, and Sims winning this award and removing Heupel from this list. That information is inaccurate. This award has only been around since 1998, making it impossible for Vessels, Owens, and Sims to have won it. Vessels, Owens, and Sims were HEISMAN winners, NOT AP Player of the Year Award winners.

I've reverted those edits back to accurately reflect that the three Sooners to win this award are White, Heupel, and Bradford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.2.67.17 (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page Protection for this Article?[edit]

This article seems to be under attack and needs to be locked for a couple weeks until the Heisman stuff dies down. - 4.240.165.22 (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protected on 02:47, 14 December 2008. BlueAg09 (Talk) 03:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Any chance of at least getting an administrator to put partial protection on this page? It seems like its being vandalized at least once a day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.2.67.17 (talk) 22:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.118.96 (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The activity on this article does not justify any form of protection. You need to get in the dozen or two vandals/day before protection is considered. It was previously protected around the end of last season around the Heisman Trophy ceremony when there was a lot of activity on the page.↔NMajdan•talk 01:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Profile Picture[edit]

Sam Bradford's profile picture should be clearer and show more of his face! Does anyone agree? How about a picture of him giving his speech after winning the Heisman trophy? Any other good photo ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.80 (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with images on Wikipedia is that only free images are allowed to be uploaded. All the images here are mainly user-generated, and are usually poor-quality. If you can find a free image somewhere, that would be great, but for now, this is the best we have. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I understand now. Well, thanks for the clarification. It surely is a bummer it has to be this way though! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.69.44 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely. But that's copyright for ya. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We have a picture that shows his face. But, someone keeps adding a picture of him in his Eagles uniform. I agree, I like the picture from 2012, which shows his face in the userbox. Please don't put the one from the Eagles uniform in the userbox, because it doesn't show his face. //nepaxt 04:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sophomore Season[edit]

Is there a reason why the section entitled "Sophomore Season" has very little information about Bradford's performance that season and is nearly 50% taken up by an unnecessarily detailed breakdown of the Heisman voting? Is there any reason, at all, why such a breakdown is even necessary in the first place? It just feels really off like someone is qualifying his Heisman victory by saying oh he won...but Tebow got more first place votes. The level of detail is just unnecessary especially since nowhere does it mention his incredibly noteworthy accomplishments that led to him getting the Heisman. I'm just going to put this up here as fair warning that at some point I intend to come back and edit the section by deleting most of the Heisman voting breakdown (again it is unnecessary and I fail to see how it's noteworthy) and actually write about his accomplishments that season. If anyone objects please say so.Jdlund (talk) 07:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Protected edit request on 3 September 2016[edit]

Bradford traded to Vikings.

74.74.121.101 (talk) 16:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here are sources:
Full page protection is a little overkill... Lizard (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to say the same thing. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now listed on the Vikings' roster [1]. RobDe68 (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If we fully protected every player's page when an editor or two jumped the gun we'd never get anything done. This trade has long been verifiable, and we're losing credibility from readers here. Yeh, NOTNEWS and all, but let's not try to act like people don't expect Wikipedia to be accurate up to the minute. Lizard (talk) 17:37, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Protection now lowered to WP:30/500. Extended confirmed users can edit the page. ~ Rob13Talk 20:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 3 September 2016[edit]

It was confirmed by both teams that Sam Bradford was traded. I have been editing NFL player pages so frequently and have kept up to date with all transactions and made sure all player pages have the correct information. I even fixed plenty of pages with significant errors that other users have made and provided information that others have neglected to do.

Jrooster49 (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jauerback: Please, if you will. I and many others have the page watched for erroneous edits. Semi-protection should suffice. Lizard (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yh, there's no reason to fully protect, semi is good enough. It gets rid of all the IP vandals and new accounts, which is really the only problem. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:57, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, full protection is too much. Like seriously the admins are going to overlook it — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiProdigy5961 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Protection now lowered to WP:30/500. Extended confirmed users can edit the page. ~ Rob13Talk 20:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Already done Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the future, could this level of protection never be done again? The majority of the edits come from people who wouldn't be able edit through semiprot, so this was highly unnecessary. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: As I was reverting an administrative action performed by another administrator without the chance to discuss it with them first, I took the smallest action I could while fixing the immediate issue of factual inaccuracies, which was to lower protection from full protection to ECP. Whether the article should have been fully protected in the first place is something you'd have to take up with Jauerback. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Extended confirmed protection policy; the community has endorsed the use of extended confirmed protection to combat any form of disruption where semi proved ineffective. In this case, since the disruption continued via users who were confirmed but not extended confirmed within minutes of semi being applied, I believe Jauerback would have been justified in applying 30/500 for a very small period of time (ideally, 24 hours or less) under the protection policy. ~ Rob13Talk 21:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't on earlier, but if that's the case then it's fine. (as long as an admin is able to respond and edit the article in the the mean time). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeh there's no excuse for what just happened. I don't know what the admin was thinking. Full protection? For three days? And then six different edit requests in an hour go completely ignored. Wow. Where are these admins when player pages are actually being vandalized? Peyton Manning and Tom Brady would be under discretionary sanctions by now. Lizard (talk) 21:18, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I'm not saying the full protection was fine, just that applying 30/500 from the start would have been justified. ~ Rob13Talk 21:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 3 September 2016[edit]

Sam Bradford has been traded to the Minnesota Vikings from the Philadelphia Eagles with both teams and multiple media outlets confirming the trade.

Vikings: http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Vikings-Acquire-QB-Sam-Bradford/6f8c6ac1-3564-4547-b705-fce0c3bf015a

Eagles: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Sam-Bradford-Traded-To-Minnesota/390017a6-3441-4a43-b39b-eeb1a65dbe64

NFL: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000694979/article/sam-bradford-traded-to-vikings-for-two-draft-picks

This change in his roster status needs to be updated in article.

Iamcool234 17:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Protection now lowered to WP:30/500. Extended confirmed users can edit the page. ~ Rob13Talk 20:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Already done Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Traded to the vikings[edit]

Please change sam bradfords status as a member of the philidelphia eagles organization to a member of the minnesota vikings, as he was traded this morning in exchange for a first round draft pick in 2017 and a fourth round pick in 2018. This is 6 months to the day after being signed to a two year deal by the eagles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Broncosfan71888 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He's an Arizona Cardinal now. I do not have editing acess. If you do, please try your best to change that ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.178.22 (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona Cardinals sign him[edit]

The Cardinals have signed him for a year. Please try to change that he is an Arizona Cardinal, not Minnesota Vikings ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.178.22 (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Its purpose isn't to provide up-to-the-second info. There's no rush. Lizard (talk) 22:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 07:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take a look over this. Harrias talk 07:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing[edit]

  • The referencing format is inconsistent, and often lacking information. I haven't gone through it all, but a few quick examples:
    • Ref #2, "Vikings QB Sam Bradford was an all-everything athlete until football won out" is missing author details.
    • Ref #4, "BOYS ALL-STATE ROSTER" should not use all-caps for the title; use title case instead.
    • Ref #5, "14 Sam Bradford" is a dead link, the website returns a 404 "not found" error.
    • Ref #6, "Maisel, Ivan (November 30, 2007)" lists "ES-28PN" as the publisher, where it should just be "ESPN"
    • Ref #7, "Sam Bradford: All-American everything" is missing author details and date of publication.
    • Ref #16, "2007 Oklahoma Sooners Roster" has no details at all other than the title; it needs at least a publisher and access date.
  • The work/publisher is very inconsistent throughout. For some sources, the website address is listed as a work, such as "newsok.com" or "philly.com". On others, this is listed, but as a publisher, such as "Scout.com", while other times a full newspaper name is given, such as "New York Times" or "St. Louis Post-Dispatch". Be consistent.

There are 165 references cited in this article, and I have glanced at less than 10% of them. I'm going to put this on hold for seven days; go through every reference and make sure that it includes all relevant details, and that all the references are consistently formatted. Once this is done, I will continue with a prose review of the article. Harrias talk 07:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • The following references are missing several details:
    • Ref #39
    • Ref #46
    • Ref #47
    • Ref #48
    • Refs #50 – #60
    • Ref #62 – #64
    • Ref #66
  • @Lucky7jrk: There are plenty more besides. Again, go through all the references, make sure they include all the details required in a consistent format. (There are still number of inconsistencies present too: compare refs #112, #113 and #147, #115 and #120. Harrias talk 08:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Harrias: I've gone through the references again. Lucky7jrk (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose[edit]

Early years[edit]

  • Wikilink baseball on first use, not second.
  • High school football doesn't need linking twice.
  • Provide a wikilink to explain "threw for 2,029 yards" and wikilink touchdowns.
  • What is an "All-State Team", and what does "Second-Team All-State pick" mean?
    • There is still no explanation of what this means. Same for "All-City honors". Harrias talk 08:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink basketball on first use, not second.
  • Provide wikilinks for points and rebounds.
  • Wikilink golf on first use, not second.
  • What sort of hockey did he play? This is not made clear in the article.
  • What is a "travel team"?
  • "In the spring of 2005, by the end of Bradford's junior season, he garnered interest from several Division I programs.." For all of the sports, or just football?
  • Explain "two-to-three-star recruit": out of what? 5, 10, 100?

College career[edit]

  • What does "redshirted" mean?
  • Is "passing for X yards" the same as "throwing for X yards"?
  • What are interceptions?
  • Give a brief explanation of what the Heisman Trophy is for.
  • "24-14" Should be an endash: "24–14"
  • "8-5 record" Again, should be an endash. Also explain, or wikilink to explain what this means.
  • Hold on, I'm confused. Why does the first paragraph of this section cover what is then repeated in the following sections? Is this like a mini-lead for the section? This isn't part of Wikipedia's MOS, and should be removed.

More

  • Is "completed 21 of 23 attempts for 363 yards" passing attempts? This should be made clear this first time the phrase is used.
  • "18 came in the first half and four" Per MOS:NUM, comparable numbers should be written in the same form: either 18 and 4 or eighteen and four.
  • "was named the national offensive player of the week" Beating all those NFL players too? Or is this a college only award? That should be made clear.
  • "..suffered a concussion of unknown severity." I'm not sure that "of unknown severity" is necessary here.
  • "..against Oklahoma State on November 24." For clarity maybe replace "on November 24" with "a week later"
  • "During the November 24, 2007 game against the Oklahoma State Cowboys.." As this is the same game that was just mentioned, merge the paragraphs and rewrite as "During that game.."
  • "It was Bradford's first Bowl Championship Series game as a starter." As a reference for this.
  • "In week 8 of the following season against Kansas.." Excessive detail, we don't need to know which week it happened in; telling us that it is the following season is sufficient.
  • What is the Heisman Trophy awarded for?
  • I would remove the 2008 Heisman Trophy Finalist Voting table; it is already covered in the prose, and adds nothing.
  • "Bradford is the third Oklahoma Sooner to win the award, joining Josh Heupel (2000) and Jason White (2003). Heupel and White were also quarterbacks, with Heupel being the current quarterbacks coach for Oklahoma." This needs referencing.
  • "Bradford was originally scheduled to return in about three to six weeks,[40] but head coach Bob Stoops initially refused to either confirm or deny that timetable." Excessive detail, remove.

Professional career[edit]

  • Use {{cvt}} for his height and weight in the text: "6 ft 4.25 in (1.94 m) and 236 lb (107 kg), about 15 lb (6.8 kg) above.."
  • "On March 19, Bradford met with St. Louis Rams general manager.." I think it would help to clarify here that the Rams held the first pick.
  • Put N/A in the empty cells in his measurables.
  • What is a "pocket technique"?
  • "On July 30, 2010, Bradford signed a six-year, $78 million deal, which has $50 million of guarantees and has a maximum value of $86 million making it the largest contract ever for an NFL rookie." Change the tense here; the contract has expired, so it should be in past tense. Merge this single-sentence paragraph with either the one before or after it. (Before probably works better.)
  • "..Bradford bounced back in a big way against.." Not encyclopaedic language.
  • "He competed for the starting quarterback position with Feeley and on September 4, Bradford was named the starting quarterback for the 2010 season opener." Again, look to merge this with the paragraph after to avoid a single-sentence paragraph.
  • "completed 32/55" Write this out as "32 of 55".
  • "..over the Seahawks, 20-3." The score needs an endash, rather than a hyphen.
  • "Bradford went 3-2.." As above: endash please.
  • "Bradford went 3-2 as a starter in October, passing for 1,019 yards and 7 touchdowns against 3 interceptions. He was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month." Reference please.
  • "He capped November by becoming the first rookie quarterback to win two consecutive Offensive Rookie of the Month awards." Reference please.
  • "He was named to the PFWA All-Rookie Team, becoming the 5th Rams quarterback to claim this award, joining Neil Lomax (1981), Dieter Brock (1985), Jim Everett (1986), & Tony Banks." Reference please.
  • "After going 4-0.." Endash please.
  • "..regular season rolled around injuries.." "rolled around" is not encyclopaedic language.
  • "The Rams weren't expected.." "were not".
  • "However, during the Rams Week 7 game against the Carolina Panthers.." Add an apostrophe to Rams.
  • Link ACL.
  • "and a Thanksgiving Day game against Detroit" Missing a full-stop.
  • "..Bradford would go 7-7.." Endash please.
  • "Before week 9, Bradford has been.." For consistency, capitalise "week" here (though I would rather they were all lower-case to be honest.) Also, change "has" to "had".
  • "..but Eagles coach Chip Kelly would not bench him, but.." Avoid the repetition of "but"; the second one could become "and".
  • "..while Chase Daniel educates.." Switch "educates" to "educated".
  • "15 days after being traded.." Don't start a sentence with a digit: "Fifteen days.."
  • "Despite not having much time to learn the offense, Bradford ended up hurting his left hand.." This construction makes it sound like he hurt his left hand despite not having much time to learn the offense, but the two things seem unrelated? It might work if the sentences were split differently: "Fifteen days after being traded, Bradford made his first start for the Vikings in Week 2 against the Green Bay Packers, despite not having much time to learn the offense. Bradford ended up hurting his left hand in the first half due to a hit by Clay Matthews."
  • "..22-of-31.." No need for the hyphens.
  • "..a 17-7 lead.." and "..in a 22-10 win.." Endashes please.
  • "During a game against the Detroit Lions, Bradford threw a pass which was batted into the air by Lions defensive tackle Tyrunn Walker. After which, Bradford caught the ball and ran towards the sideline, gaining five yards in the process." Reference please.
  • "..27-of-32.." No need for the hyphens.
  • Wikilink injured reserve to a relevant article.
  • Has Bradford retired, is he active anywhere now? Make this clear in the body of the article.
  • The statistics table needs a reference, and an explanation of what the bold text signifies.
  • "Single-season pass yards per game (266.1, 2015 season) (Later broken by Carson Wentz in 2018)." Needs a reference.
  • All three Minnesota Vikings records need references.
  • "..and was also a basketball player in high school." This has been mentioned in the relevant section, and can be removed from here.
  • Try to blend the single-sentence paragraphs in the Personal life section together.
  • Worth adding his wife and that he has a child?

Summary comments[edit]

  • There is a lot of jargon which is not explained or wikilinked. Make sure that on the first mention of any jargon, there is an explanation or wikilink provided.
  • Conversely, a lot of wikilinks are duplicated: consider installing User:Evad37/duplinks-alt which will highlight them for you, then you can remove all but the first instance of each link.

I'll come back to a detailed prose review later. Harrias talk 10:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lucky7jrk: Please see the comments above. @Harrias: could you ping Lucky7jrk for subsequent comments? It doesn't appear they have this page on their watchlist. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lucky7jrk: @Harrias: What is the status of this review? Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Eagles247: I responded to their comments over a week ago, and they have yet to come back with a more detailed prose review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucky7jrk (talk • contribs) 20:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Eagles247 and Lucky7jrk: The summary comments remain unresolved, over three weeks after I raised them. I'll leave this open for a few more days in the hope they are addressed, but if not, I will have to close it. Harrias talk 08:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Harrias: I've addressed the summary comments now. Lucky7jrk (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lucky7jrk: I have added more prose comments. Harrias talk 10:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Harrias: I've addressed the comments. Lucky7jrk (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, this is looking pretty good. I want to have one last read through the whole thing, and then hopefully we can wrap this up. I've got a few things on today and tomorrow, so it might be Friday before I can do this, but I will aim to do it ASAP. Harrias talk 12:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments[edit]

  • The lead needs a bit of expansion to bring the second paragraph up to the present day, it finishes sounding as though he still plays with the Vikings.
  • The lead also needs some links adding for the jargon, like has been done in the main body.
  • The article still needs to explain, either through a wikilink, a footnote or an inline description, what a "pocket technique" is.

@Lucky7jrk: Pretty much there. Just these relatively minor points, and then we're done I reckon. Harrias talk 07:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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