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March 2022 crime spike	2,492	2,492
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Things that need to be added/expanded[edit]

The treatment of the (alleged) deal with the gangs; there's a lot of material on it [1][2]
Actual specific reactions to all of this by various people/groups
Democratic backsliding under Bukele, including removal of persons investigating the said deal and the court-packing, which contextualizes some of the criticism
A lead

—Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 23:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Percentage of population arrested[edit]

I just did the math and over 1% of El Salvador's population has been arrested due to the gang crackdown. That's a pretty big number, should we mention it somewhere in the article?

If anyone is wondering how I got the percentage:

66,757^[1]/6,572,243^[2] = 0.01015741505 or 1.015741505%

— Treetoes023 (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Acosta, Dennis (2 April 2023). "Régimen de Excepción Ya Suma 66,757 Supuestos Pandilleros Detenidos" [State of Exception Now Sums 66,757 Supposed Gang Members Detained]. El Mundo (in Spanish).
^ "El Salvador". The World Factbook (2024 ed.). Central Intelligence Agency. (Archived 2022 edition.)

Important source[edit]

This is probably of interest: https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/12/07/we-can-arrest-anyone-we-want/widespread-human-rights-violations-under-el —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is less important, but valuable as a relatively recent summary of the whole crackdown: https://www.france24.com/es/am%C3%A9rica-latina/20230517-nayib-bukele-despliega-5-000-militares-tras-el-asesinato-de-un-polic%C3%ADa-en-el-salvador —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first piece seems to be more a persuasive essay than an actual good source of information. Claiming that the crackdown is targeting "communities where people have, for years, suffered insecurity and lack of economic and educational opportunities" is disingenuous and is a sign that whoever wrote the article does not know how to properly draw conclusions from evidence. Whether or not the Régimen is actually a HRV, claiming that they are specifically targeting "low-income neighborhoods" is an absolute lie. EytanMelech (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a news source, yes, it's worthless. Human Rights Watch is an important NGO, however, and its opinions merit at least mention in the reactions section. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 02:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All the allegations that have made by the HRW are already a part of the reactions subsection.There is nothing new in this particular report. Smahwk (talk) 14:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UnHerd[edit]

In WP:RSN thread UnHerd, Hemiauchenia has referred to the cite of UnHerd in this article: Sure, but another UnHerd article is currently being used in Salvadoran gang crackdown for factual information for example. I believe that if anyone supports or opposes removing the cite, this talk page is an appropriate place to say so. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The author to which the quote has been attributed to has a background in reporting on crime in Latin America,so I support it. Smahwk (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:RSN thread has been archived here without a formal close. This Wikipedia article still has a cite of UnHerd, which I too support, and I'm hopeful that the danger has passed. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I spoke too soon. Buidhe removed the cite. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the site has drastically changed in the last couple years, it is basically 100% (contrarian) opinion pieces, which are not considered RS for factual information. Maybe it is slightly better than Quillette (rated non-RS at RSN), maybe not, but either way I do not think it is a reliable source for citing in Wikipedia articles. (t · c) buidhe 13:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead figures[edit]

Should Gustavo Villatoro and mauricio arriaza chicas be added? Smahwk (talk) 17:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Acosta, Dennis (2 April 2023). "Régimen de Excepción Ya Suma 66,757 Supuestos Pandilleros Detenidos" [State of Exception Now Sums 66,757 Supposed Gang Members Detained]. El Mundo (in Spanish).

[2] "El Salvador". The World Factbook (2024 ed.). Central Intelligence Agency. (Archived 2022 edition.)

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