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The article contains a huge amount of extremely non-neutral wording. It might need to be gutted per WP:TNT but lets see if it can be saved. DanielRigal (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone over it very quickly. I've tried to address the worst issues with as light a touch as possible. The remaining big problem is the "Responses" section (previously the "Support" section). I don't think that any of the current content is invalid but it is entirely one-sided. The many supportive responses are not balanced by also including the opposing responses in a proportional way, or even at all.
The article is also missing basic biographical details. Maybe these are not known but these should be added insofar as there is any RS coverage of them. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you about the tone @DanielRigal. Fix ups look good.
Also think it needs to be in a more regular intro/education/business/personal life structure. Language-wise, I'm keen to keep things as neutral as possible. So if the reliable source says "woman" that's the word that sould be used in the article at that point.
The legal proceedings deserves its own subsection. I think with just a basic dot-point timeline. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 01:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think just about all of the material in the "Support" section has to go. I'll leave it there for a couple of days to see if anyone can find some reliable sources for the various claims, which are certainly interesting, but not "notable" according to Wikipedia's criterion. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Daniel, from my point of view, your initial proposal to TNT appears not founded on WP principles. This is a short bio page of a person who has gained a bit of notability for one or two things in her life. Ideally, I aim for condensing material rather than removal, especially where one might be in a position to claim that the removal is itself a POV position. I suggest that if you and other interested editors want to invest some time on the legal case section, it might be best for us to create a Tickle v Giggle page. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 11:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that two articles are likely to be justified unless the case really takes off in media coverage and develops a life of its own. Creating such a page might well lead to this page being merged into it and redirected. I recommend to leave it for now. If things develop then it might be a possibility later but we can't assume that they will. It might fizzle out again.
As regards removal. My first thought was TNT but in the end I barely removed anything. The supportive responses might be slightly overblown but the real POV problem is the lack of any critical responses at all. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a huge thing but I am having difficulty verifying the novel. I can't find an ISBN for it. Was it ever actually published? Was it self-published? DanielRigal (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From the industry press, looks like the story was 'optioned', so before it went to press, the story was taken up by a production company, in this case by Working Title.[1]MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even though this article is Grover's, it's mostly about Giggle which makes sense as they're the ones in the news and thus much more notable, but it creates a sense of imbalance.
So I'm wondering if this should be rebranded as Giggle's article with a section (currently the biography) devoted to the founder?
Thoughts? MaskedSinger (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, I will look for more info about her to add to the article. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Giggle, the app, does not warrant an article as of now (its only notable due to the case).
Grover article can remain mostly as is. The section on the app should remain, as well as some paragraph on the case. The combination of her involvement with the app plus the articles on the Medicare incident makes the page notable (her early career is just misc. details that just add a little colour).
The court case Tickle v Giggle can merit a standalone article, at least in theory. But the article itself may be viewed as a fork (from Grover) unless theres more material written on the topic. At this stage the articles mostly repeat themselves, and many news sites pay little or insufficient attention to it. Having said that, I think we should wait until the decision is handed down and then create the article even if it's a bit short.
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