Talk:SS John Oxley

SS John Oxley was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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July 12, 2007	Good article nominee	Not listed

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This article has been rated as Start-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

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Good article review[edit]

I found the following problems with your article:

Grammar is not good in parts of this article and must be addressed, for an example in the introduction it states “She is the last surviving Australian coastal steamer. She is significant in maritime history as one…�? First of all don’t use “She�? I known boats are commonly referred to as that but this is an encyclopedic article.
Introduction needs to be bigger than it is, try adding info from the rest of the article to it.
Please fix your reference’s lay out, your references are not set out properly not the correct way to do so. Try looking at the Ford BA Falcon article for ways to properly fill out your references.
Maybe add about 100-250 words to the article in the bottom sections.
You state that the ship is a coastal steamer, what is a costal steamer? You need to explain briefly what a coastal steamer is.
Remember this article has to be helpful to people that know nothing about the John Oxley (ship).

SS John Oxley SCORES IN KEY AREAS
Legality		B	B	B
Neutrality	A	A	A	A
Writing		B	B	B
Sources	A	A	A	A
Citations		B	B	B
24 June 2007 (UTC)

Legality referes to if it is believable, can I believe it, NO because their is not enough references.
Neutrality refers to if it comes from the right view of the subject, no problem here.
writing referes to the grammar and spelling of the article. There is some grammar problems please fix them straight away.
sources referes to the type of sources you have used for the article, website you used. These are good.
citations referes to your references. I said what is wrong with them up the top.

You need to get an A in all of these catergories to pass as GA. If you have any questions please go to my talk page and leave a message.Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 04:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:John Oxley10.jpg[edit]

Image:John Oxley10.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 22:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

This article needs the references to be fixed. If an editor familiar with reference tags could handle that, it'd be great. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreadnaught (talk • contribs) 03:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Largest?[edit]

How do we define largest steamship in Australia? By Displacement, yes its the biggest, but length wise the South Steyne is "larger". I don't know how the beam and draft compares. Perhaps we could be a bit more clear with this... 123.243.242.57 (talk) 17:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Survey vs service[edit]

The ship is being restored and will be put back into survey.... Survey means meeting the government safety requirements; please see https://www.amsa.gov.au/vessels-operators/domestic-commercial-vessels/certificates-survey for the meaning of survey in this instance. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:06, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ariconte: Hmm, it may mean that to the expert, but not to the average reader. On the assumption that Vessel safety survey is what we are talking about here, could we rewrite the sentence to incorporate both the link and an on-the-fly explanation along the lines of ...

The ship is being restored so that it will satisfy the survey requirements for safe operation.

So that we both inform and educate the average reader. Kerry (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, will do! Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]