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Which Rose and Crown?[edit]

Besides "a tavern in the Piazza, Covent Garden" that is noted in Saunders' biography of Smibert, which he is apparently identifying with the Rose Tavern in Russell Street, Covent Garden, adjoining the Drury Lane Theatre (Wheatley and Cunningham, London, Past and Present, s.v. Rose Tavern"), which is never referred to as a "Rose and Crown" in multiple notices, there were several actual Rose and Crowns to choose from as the site of this artists' club.

From John Lockie, Lockie's Topography of London, (1810):

Rose and Crown Alley, Foster Lane, Whitefriars, was entered from 62, Fleet Street, leading towards the Thames. Rose and Crown Court, Shoe Lane, Fleet Street, at 26, four doors north of Stone-cutter Street.

Rose and Crown Court, Gray's inn Lane where John Aubrey lodged (Wheatley and Cunningham, s.v. "Rose and Crown Court"

Rose and Crown Court, Foster Lane, Cheapside, entered about seven doors on the right from 147, Cheapside.

Rose and Crown Court, St. Catherine's Lane, fourth on the left from Upper East Smithfield, leading to a back court.

Less likely:
- Rose and Crown Alley and Rose and Crown Court, northeast corner of Moorfields, by Broker Row, was part of the warren of little streets and alleys swept away in mid-19th century by the construction of the new Farringdon Market.

- Rose and Crown Court, Essex Street, Whitechapel. ("The first turning on the right hand", James Elmes, A topographical dictionary of London and its environs, 1831).

- Rose and Crown Yard, St John's Street, Clerkenwell, "about a furlong on the right-hand side going from Clerkenwell (Elmes).

From Boyle's View of London, and its Environs, 1799 (repeating some of the above):

"Rose and crown alley, near Whitechapel; Rose and crown court, Catharine's lane; Rose and crown court, Fashion street; Rose and crown court, Foster lane; Rose and crown court, Gray's inn lane; Rose and crown court, Holywell street; Rose and crown court, Houndsditch; Rose and crown court, Rosemary lane; Rose and crown court, Shoe lane; Rose and crown court, Sutton street; Rose and crown court, Whitechapel; Rose and crown yard, St. James's square; Rose and crown yard, Moorfields"

See also British History on-line. --Wetman (talk) 05:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

overlap[edit]

I just added a detail to John Smibert on the period 1720-28.

"He was a member of a society called the 'Virtuosi of London,' including John Wootton, Thomas Gibson, George Vertue, Bernard Lens, and other artists, and designed a large portrait group of the members. This, however, he did not complete."

There seems to be some overlap in this notice, albeit 100 years old. cygnis insignis 04:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]