Talk:Roll Over Beethoven

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i don't know about elo, but the beatles pronunciation, seems spot on. 'move on up,just a trifle futher', comes out pretty clearly—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelegendofrory (talk • contribs) 11:00, 27 July 2007

I agree (referring to the version on With the Beatles). Arguably, the "a" is elided, but I've removed the mention.—Dah31 (talk) 04:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Huron's book Sweet Anticipation says that Roll Over Beethoven quotes the principal theme of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. I listened to the YouTube performance, but didn't hear it. Can anyone confirm or deny this? It seems like if it's true, it should be mentioned on this page. Musanim 03:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Musanim[reply]

He was probably talking about ELO's version, not Chuck Berry's. Stonemason89 (talk) 21:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  RE: Lyrics issue. In listening to versions of Roll Over Beethoven from several performers, it appears that the song actually states "tell Stokowski the news", not "tell Tchaikovsky the news". Leopold Stokowski was a famous classical conductor. Bmaryano (talk) 07:30, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Berry recorded several versions, with a 1972 live video performance with very clear pronunciation: he is clearly pronouncing the word with an initial 'zh', or even 'dj' affricate plosive, answering to Tch- . The following vowel nucleus is reduced to schwa, which is more conformable to a reduced 'ai', than a reduced, but still slightly lip-rounded 'o'. Live, 1972, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sij1R6cjh4A If paused at the 1:00 mark and set at .25 speed it is even absolutely clear there is lip-spreading on the vowel, conclusively diagnostic of an intentional (reduced) 'ai'. JohndanR (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template for The Beatles[edit]

I created a template for The Beatles' album With The Beatles so that there is no break between the previous track Please Mister Postman and the following track Hold Me Tight. The only minor problem is that there is no listing of the other tracks on the album, because that would take up too much vertical space. (The other songs on the album have articles with a template that lists all of the tracks on the album.) DAK4Blizzard (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does the infobox really have to be all the way down there. For most other articles of song The Beatles covered, the infoboxes were grouped together, so that they would go down consecutively down the side of the article. Why not do that? Democraticmacguitarist (talk) 13:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't have to be way down there. The page works better with the infoboxes stack on top of each other, and I am going to change it. — John Cardinal (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rockin' pneumonia[edit]

"Rockin' pneumonia" refer to Huey "Piano" Smith's "Rocking Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu".

I removed this, because it's demonstratively false. Chuck Berry's song came out in 1956; the Huey "Piano" Smith recording wasn't made until 1957. If anything, the reference should be the other way around: Perhaps the Smith song was influnenced by Berry? There's no way Berry got the reference from Huey Smith unless he was clairvoyant. Cheemo 04:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:ChuckBerryRollOverBetthovenLabel.jpg[edit]

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A Shot of Rhythm and Blues[edit]

"A Shot of Rhythm and Blues" was not written by Alexander but by members of his band, so what is said in the article is not true.Suso de la Vega (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote the sentence accordingly Jwicklatz (talk) 19:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Tennessee Watlz: Metasong?[edit]

To whoever wrote that The Tennessee Waltz is an example of "a song about songs" needs to back that up. That seems dubious to me. The title of the song references the song that was playing when a "friend stole" a "sweetheart" from the speaker. The song title is therefore just a reference point for the speaker. --Jackbox1971 (talk) 01:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rs500s does not have comparison cited[edit]

The citation for rs500s, ("The RS 500 Greatest Songs of All Time". New York, NY: Rolling Stone. December 9, 2004. Retrieved December 26, 2011. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)), does not seem to have the cited comparison between the intros to Johnny B. Goode and Roll Over Beethoven. Peaceray (talk) 08:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

racist song?[edit]

A black musician singing about his hate against white man's music...if that isn't RACISM, what is? 93.219.135.34 (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. What is what? This is an article about the song "Roll Over Beethoven". You need to find the article about the musician/singing that you have in mind. I don't know of any such, so I can't help you any further. JohndanR (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Honey Hush[edit]

This song bears a remarkable resemblance to the earlier Honey Hush, by Big Joe Turner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLYkj2MDS6E — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:205:3:DEE2:A5EA:5EB4:D8F5:C3E3 (talk) 02:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does it really mean Beethoven should roll over in his grave?[edit]

Yes, this is how it's commonly interpreted, and not just on Wikipedia - I can find several books from the 1990s making this assertion too. But is there any reliable secondary source that this is what Berry really meant? Could it not just be that Beethoven should move over and make room? --Rpresser 13:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am also rather sceptical about this. Some contemporaneous evidence would be needed, surely? Francis Davey (talk) 22:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The English idiom to roll over in one's grave is an expression of disapproval because of a contemporary development. It reflects the object's will to resist the development, not their willingness to acquiesce. Further inclusion of such "willingness" must include a citation. These pages are read by non-native speakers perhaps unfamiliar with the idiom and it does them a disservice to lead them astray. ReedScarce (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles version[edit]

Should Roll Over Beethoven (Beatles cover) have been split from this article per WP:SONGCOVER? It has been done with significant cover versions of other songs, but I thought there should be a discussion since it is not often done and generally discouraged. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Transcluded from talk page) As the creator of this article, I don't think the article should be merged back into the Roll Over Beethoven article. While it's true that the content here is primarily lifted from that article, this cover version has enough long lasting significance to warrant a spinoff from the main article, particularly as a cover song by a very notable band (The Beatles), and has room for expansion by connection to the wide bibliography available about the band's songs. I also believe the article in its current form, irrespective of the potential of expansion, meets the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS, and therefore passes the criteria you mentioned. Bandit Heeler (talk) 11:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge If the song was the original it would pass WP:GNG and WP:NSONG and would have its own article, but since it is a version of a song that has both the original and another notable version, it is better to have all the information about the song contained in one song article. After the new article was started, the information this article was not taken out, so there is not that much more that would need to be added from that article into this article. Aspects (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge The point of WP:SONGCOVER is that splitting off into separate articles should not happen. Foe covers to have their own articles would be an unworkable way to go.--Egghead06 (talk) 00:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect None of the current sources on this page focus on "Roll Over Beethoven", and I would argue that if the song weren't by The Beatles, it wouldn't be notable. Merging it with the original title would not burden the page, and we can easily have this title serve as a redirect. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]