Talk:Robert B. Pamplin Jr.

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Ross Island[edit]

This needs mention of the whole Ross Island thing. This may require a trip to the library due to O-vanish. Katr67 22:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oregon Clergy category[edit]

Perhaps we should mention his status as Founder and Senior Pastor of the Christ Community Church in the article (as per his website, though there seem to be several organizations that go by that name; the one that Christ Community Church links to seems to be unrelated). And if he is an ordained minister, it would be of interest in which church he was ordained. It would help make sense of the clergy cat. Jayen466 19:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was curious about this too. The church is in Newberg, Oregon. Here's some refs:
I hope that helps! Katr67 (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One more: http://www.newberggraphic.com/religion/archive/12-23-06/index.htm Katr67 (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is great. I hope we can expand the article a bit. If we only focus on the ministry thing, though, there might be weight issues, as it's really not what he's known for. So we should work on stuff like the Tribune, Christian Supply, Ross Island Sand and Gravel, etc. Actually, his main business is textiles -- he has a corner on the market for pocket liners (I kid you not!) -- but that stuff is not based in Oregon, and I know less about it than his local businesses. -Pete (talk) 20:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pamplin Foundation and R.B. Corporation[edit]

I thought we could use the following links to expand on this entry. They include more biographical information about Pamplin, particularly his success as a businessman. Also, I think that there should be mention of his corporation. The latter two links contain some useful information.

Source for expansion[edit]

  • Bend Bulletin 2007 story covers Pamplin's gifts to Shaniko, a wool producer.

Proposed edits for Robert B. Pamplin, Jr.[edit]

My name is Alvaro, and I work for Robert B. Pamplin, Jr. I have worked to develop an expanded biography for him according to Wikipedia’s policies and standards. My goal is to provide factual, well cited information. I have posted a draft of the article in my sandbox; I would appreciate any feedback or input. -Alvarofontan (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Island[edit]

Re: latest edits to article regarding Ross Island, some redundancy was created by adding a second reference under Philanthropy. There is also one key aspect from prior edits that needs to be clarified. As is outlined in the Sept. 12, 2007 Oregonian article, the donated area was never found to be contaminated. "The consensus: The portion Pamplin wants to make public is pristine."

Also, regarding cleanup of the island that involved other parts of the island, the referenced Oregon DEQ record shows the cleanup was considered cleaned up by a 2011 Record of Decision. So, I would recommend keeping all citations but combining them into one section (under Business) that reads:

Pamplin's ownership of both media and major business interests in the Portland area has been controversial.[6][11] When the Tribune was launched in 2001,[12] and again as of fall 2012,[13][14] Pamplin's media holdings have been said to be engaged in a "newspaper war" over local circulation with the Oregonian and its affiliated papers. His donation to the city of Portland of part of Ross Island became controversial because industrial contamination had been discovered on other parts of the island. [15][16][24] An Oregon Department of Environmental Quality cleanup of the island was completed in 2011.[25]

What are your thoughts about making such an edit? --af (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the article you reference is here. This article discusses the cleanup work in addition to the DEQ article you reference. Yes, the cleanup work has stopped, but the contamination still exists, which a typical reader would not understand from your phrasing. I do think you should leave this for another editor to fix due to your conflict of interest as an employee of Dr. Pamplin's. --Esprqii (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Esprqii, I appreciate your response, but the article is factually incorrect in its current state under the Business section. I would ask you to correct the statement "the city of Portland is liable for cleanup of most of the donated portions."

This is clearly not the case. The cited articles make clear none of the land the city accepted was contaminated. The DEQ cleanup involved only non-donated land and included multiple parties.

Similarly, under the Philanthropy section, the inclusion of the following statement in the context of Dr. Pamplin’s Ross Island donation is misleading:

"Pamplin has been criticized for being slow to clean up the contamination and for leaving the city of Portland liable for much of the cleanup caused by his company."

The land that was donated to the City of Portland was pristine and not involved in any of the environmental issues.

As you have made the above changes, I would ask that you consider making these edits. Thank you. --af (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)50.53.5.224 (talk) 01:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text about Ross Island donation due to factual inaccuracies[edit]

Esprqii and all, I removed the two passages relating to the land donation and environmental issues. As I have pointed out, both of them (introduced here and here) contained factual errors. I have no objection to the topic being covered here (and have suggested text in the previous section that I still feel would be acceptable), but it must be covered in a way that is factually accurate and faithfully cited to reliable sources. I would request that anyone re-introducing this topic to the article exercise care in reporting the facts. --af (talk) 18:29, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some further edits and restored some of the deleted material. I think it's important to keep the full timeline of events and not cut too severely. --Esprqii (talk) 17:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Academic degrees[edit]

Recently an IP made some changes. For the most part these seem fine, but there is are a couple small issues with the California Coast University line. CCU is accredited (since 2005), though it's true that it didn't have national accreditation when Dr. Pamplin matriculated in the 1970s. Also, while "online only" may be an accurate today, in the 1970s it was of course not online. So I'm making a small change, to indicate that it was not then accredited, and that it was a distance education institution. --af (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unsubstantiated reference[edit]

I have restored a reference that was deleted as "unsubstantiated". Perhaps that just means that the reference is not available on line? Anyway, it seems to me that some reference is better than none. The reference was added in 2013 by Alvarofontan, who has a self-declared WP:COI. Not sure what to make of all of this, but per WP:BRD, I've reverted it and invite anyone to discuss it here. Thanks. YBG (talk) 00:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this edit to User talk:73.180.14.141 § December 2016, where I have encouraged 73.180.14.141 to engage in a discussion rather than an edit war. YBG (talk) 06:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even though the reference is not online, we assume good faith when an editor cites a published, reliable source. Wikipedia does not have a requirement that offline references must be substantiated with a link to online materials. The deleted citation should be restored, and both IP addresses that have deleted it should be warned about sockpuppetry. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And so I have restored it. YBG (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Add Columbia Empire Farm[edit]

Columbia Empire Farm, producing berries and hazelnuts products since 1976 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.177.161 (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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