Talk:Ritual family

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Did you know... that the particular church to which one belongs determines the right rite and the use to use?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 14:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the particular church one belongs to determines the right rite and the use they use? Source: The Rites of the Catholic Church
- Reviewed: 1. Template:Did you know nominations/Comp-Sultants 2. Template:Did you know nominations/Infected (The Last of Us)
- Comment: QPQ coming

Created by Pbritti (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ritual family, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Articles are new enough, long enough, and neutral and well-cited. Can't detect any close paraphrasing, albeit some sources are paywalled. Hook is broadly interesting, directly cited and verifiable. Waiting for the QPQs (×2). DigitalIceAge (talk) 07:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DigitalIceAge: Didn't realize I was reviewing one of your hooks, sorry. Let me know if I need to do another one just to avoid running afoul of procedure! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti: Don't see anything in the rules regarding scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours (even accidental scratches), but I appreciate the thought :). QPQs are now done, nomination should be good. DigitalIceAge (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Ritual family"[edit]

@Pbritti: Do the sources here use the exact term "ritual family"? I'm not familiar with that term as a synonym for liturgical rites. Wouldn't liturgical rite (a redirect to this article) be the better title, per WP:COMMONNAME? – Scyrme (talk) 01:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scyrme: Great question, and to be fair I went back-and-forth on the naming convention of this article for the better part of a month. Ultimately, I accepted the usage present in the New Catholic Encyclopedia (the more modern of the academic sources I could find and presently reference 1 on the article). The term "ritual family" is a more precise term that refers to the "liturgical rites" in the complex sense treated by this article, distinguishing it from the notion of "liturgical rites" more properly treated by Rite (Christianity). Other modern academic sources utilize "ritual family" in order to produce this distinction. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. A less common name attested in the sources can be preferrable if it provides natural disambiguation. I've amended the hatnote to use "redirect" rather than "for", to acknowledge the ambiguity of the more common term and (hopefully) indicate why it's not being used as the title. (In case someone else has similar questions.) – Scyrme (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A very welcome and appreciated solution. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Partial list of Christian liturgical rites"[edit]

There is a "list of Christian liturgical rites" at Christian liturgy, which is the reason why a number of redirects point there. Should it be moved here or perhaps split into a list article independent of both? – Scyrme (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My feeling is that it ought to spun off into a separate list. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbritti: I've tagged the list for splitting and started a topic regarding that at Talk:Christian liturgy. – Scyrme (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]