Talk:Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song)

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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I will start reviewing this today, however it may run into tomorrow. --K. Peake 07:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

Where a producer is credited by their legal name in the writer field, I've always linked it so that its clear who we're on about
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  • "It was released on" → "The song was released on" but it is not written out in prose that the song was released under the labels
fixed
  • "as the third single from Killer Love, it was remixed to feature" → "as the third single, a remix was recorded featuring"
fixed
  • Remove duplicate usage of "Written by"
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  • "Daniel Morris and co-written and" → "Daniel Morris, and co-written and"
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  • ""Right There" island-flavored midtempo" → "it is an island-flavored midtempo"
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  • Remove the selection for release sentence since that is not notable here
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  • ""Right There" was intended to be" → "The song was originally intended to be" moving this to be the sentence before the writing/comp one
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  • "urban production which stood out from the disco-tinged songs" → "urban production, which stood out from the mainstream songs" to be more consistent with the body
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  • "for its playful nature" → "for the playful nature"
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  • Remove the release year of "Rude Boy" since this is not notable for the lead
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  • Remove the "Edge of Seventeen" comparison because that is only mentioned by one reviewer
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  • "by calling the song a" → "by calling it a"
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  • "In the UK, "Right There" debuted at number three, giving Scherzinger her third consecutive top three single" → "In the United Kingdom, the song debuted at number three, giving Scherzinger her fourth consecutive top-ten single" per what the body actually says
fixed
  • "It also peaked in the top-ten" → "Outside of the UK, the song peaked in the top-ten" per this being a new para
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  • "New Zealand and on" → "New Zealand, and on"
fixed
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  • ""Right There" was certified 2× Platinum by the" → "The song was certified double platinum in Australia by the"
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  • Remove the year-end charts, as these aren't notable here
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  • Merge the fourth para with the third per overly short size
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  • Merely cut the first music video sentence to stating it was directed by Paul Hunter, as nobody wants to read background info in the lead
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  • ""Right There" was the most watched video on YouTube on its day of" → "The visual was the most watched video on YouTube on the day of" removing the Billboard part, as it is not notable who reported that in the lead
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  • "while MTV also gave the song a similar accolade on its website too." → "while it scored a similar accolade on MTV's website." with the wikilink
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  • Mention what year(s) the performances were in
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  • I've gotten up to here for now. Got a bit more to do re: charts. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think all of these things have been addressed >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 16:10, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release[edit]

  • Remove the captions from the group of images and instead identify by placing (left) after Jim Jonsion's name and (right) after 50 Cent
fixed
  • "would go on to top charts in the UK in" → "would go on to top the chart in"
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  • "or third overall when" → "though was her third overall when"
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  • "a month later it was confirmed that "Right There", helmed by" → "a month later, it was confirmed that "Right There", produced by"
fixed
  • "but also the lead and first single for" → "but also the lead single for" with the wikilink, as lead means first single
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  • "was penned for" → "was scheduled for"
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  • "reported that Jonsin was set work with" → "reported that Jim Jonsin was set to work with" per this not being his real name:fixed
  • Remove the "Coconut Tree" feature since that is not notable at all
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  • "On April 1, 2011, "Right There" was" → "On April 1, the song was"
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  • "began getting airplay on" → "began garnering airplay on"
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  • Mention the labels at the point of release
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  • "A week later it was serviced" → "A week later, the song was serviced"
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fixed
  • Remove later in June from the start of the sentence since the June dates are all mentioned there anyway
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  • ""He Goes Down" which samples" → ""He Goes Down", which samples" with the pipe
fixed
fixed

Recording and production[edit]

  • ""Right There" is a" → "Musically, "Right There" is a" moving the genres to music and lyrics, though keep this sentencew ith the writing part only here
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  • "by Jonsin for" → "by Jim Jonsin for"
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  • Remove excess full-stop after Harvey Mason Jr. since his name can end the sentence in this context
fixed
fixed
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  • "with guitars and bass by" → "and guitars and bass by"
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  • "David Boyd and Michael Daley" → "David Boyd, and Michael Daley"
fixed
fixed

Music and lyrics[edit]

  • Make the genres sentence the first of this section
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  • The MTV and Rap-Up sentences should come before the Digital Spy one since they are about the comp
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  • "twang" which complimented" → "twang", which compliments"
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  • Mention the name of the MTV Buzzworthy writer
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  • "the song was built on an" → "the song is built on an"
fixed
  • "It was compared to being a similar technique and vibe to" → "It was seen as a similar technique and vibe to"
fixed
  • Mention the name of the Rap-Up writer
fixed
  • "Among the lyrics are the lines" → "Among the lyrics are" and this sentence should have the Digital Spy one directly before it
fixed
  • "my body" which segues" → "my body", which segues"
fixed
  • Remove duplicate wikilink on Destiny's Child
fixed

Critical reception[edit]

  • "AOL Radio's Nadine Cheung praised "Right There"" → "Cheung praised "Right There""
not done, new section
  • "and "uncanny lyrical references"." → "and an "uncanny lyrical reference"." per the source
done
  • "MTV's Eliot Glazier agreed with this notion," → "Glazier agreed with this notion,"
not done, new section
already done
  • 4 Music → 4Music with the wikilink
done
  • "of the best bits of the album." → "of the highlights of the album."
done
  • ""better and polite version of" → ""better and polite version" of"
done
  • "Lewis Corner of Digital Spy awarded the song" → "Corner awarded the song"
not done, new section
  • "five stars describing it" → "five stars, describing it"
done
  • "rating and commented that" → "rating and commented," however, the source does not mention this song
done, it looks like the archive link was wrong. This was mentioned by EW, link updated
  • "ecky Bain of Idolator agreed saying" → "Becky Bain of Idolator agreed, saying"
done
  • "to this song." However she said," → "to this song". However, she said," per MOS:QUOTE
done
  • Italicise DJ Booth
done
  • "However not all reviews were positive," → "However, not all reviews were positive."
done
  • "He also said that the song" → "He said that the song" per also being used in the quote
done
  • "sound like DIY instructions."" → "sound like DIY instructions"."
done
  • "wrote that the "Scherzinger" → "wrote that "Scherzinger"
done
  • "cod-Jamaican 'Right There'."" → "cod-Jamaican 'Right There'"."
done
  • "of Pop Dust was unimpressed of the song criticizing for" → "of Popdust was unimpressed with the song for"
done
  • "and lazy lyrics."" → "and lazy lyrics"."
done
done
  • Mention when the interview was
done

Commercial performance[edit]

  • Per the rules on chart positions being ordered geographically, make the US stuff the first para and follow that with the other countries; Canada should succeed it, but the current order of the other countries following these two would be fine. Also, remember what I said previously about how any chart positions mentioned in the lead must be written out here too.
I structured this around where the song was released first. Plus the UK comes before the US alphabetically?
  • "number fifty-eight on the UK Singles Chart on the chart dated" → "number 58 on the UK Singles Chart for the issue dated" per MOS:NUM
done
  • "fourth week it leaped from number fourteen to number three selling" → "fourth week, the song lept from number fourteen to number three, selling"
done
  • [32] should only be invoked every two sentences per WP:OVERCITE
done
  • "top ten single as a solo artist behind" → "top-ten single as a solo artist, following"
done
  • "with The Pussycat Dolls, it is her eighteenth top-forty" → "with the Pussycat Dolls, it is her 18th top-40"
done
  • "of 200,000 copies of the single." → "of 200,000 copies in the UK."
done
  • "in the United Kingdom and was one of the bestselling" → "in the UK and was one of the best-selling" but the copies are not sourced
done, removed the "best selling" bit as this is not true/subjective. 69 on the end of year top 100 is not best selling.
  • "remained on the chart" → "remained on the UK Singles Chart"
done
  • "In Ireland "Right There" debuted at number twenty-two" → "In Ireland, "Right There" debuted at number 22"
done
  • "number seven where it remained in the top ten" → "number seven and it remained in the top-ten"
done
  • "at number thirty-four" → "at number 34"
done
done
  • "on its fifth week peaking" → "in its fifth week, peaking"
done
done
  • "at number eight staying for" → "at number eight on the chart, staying there for"
done
  • "been certified 2x platinum" → "been certified double platinum"
done
  • "140,000 copies of the single." → "140,000 copies in Australia."
done
  • "In the United States, the song" → "In the US, the song" per MOS:US
done
  • "debuted on the Billboard Hot 100 chart on June 4, 2011, at number 77," → "debuted at number 77 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart on June 4, 2011,"
  • "first chart solo entry" → "first solo chart entry"
done
  • The fall to number 97 is not sourced; an entirely different trajectory is mentioned by the ref
done
  • "on the Hot 100, it stayed at" → "on the Hot 100; the song stayed at"
done
  • Remove the due to downloads part from the start of the sentence because this is implied
done
done
done
  • "shipments of over 500,000 copies." → "selling 500,000 certified units in the US."
done
  • "peaked at number forty four." → "peaked at number 44."
done

Live performances[edit]

  • Remove wikilink on 50 Cent
done
done
  • "a team of ten backup dancers" → "a team of 10 backup dancers" per MOS:NUM
done
  • "jeans and dangling chain," → "jeans, and dangling chain,"
done
  • Mention Kaufman as being of MTV
done
  • "hula as "seductive."" → "hula as "seductive"." per MOS:QUOTE
done
  • "saying that "The ex-Pussycat Doll heated up" → "saying that Scherzinger "heated up"
done
  • "performing [her] single."" → "performing [her] single"."
done
  • Introduce Amy Sciarretto
done
  • "praised Nicole Scherzinger's performance complimenting on her" → "praised Scherzinger's performance, complimenting her"
done
  • "Sciarretto said "Scherzinger’s" → "Sciarretto said, "Scherzinger's"
done
  • "In June, Scherzinger" → "In June 2011, Scherzinger" but the source does not mention that she flew there and change to the UK
done
  • "black ankle boots."" → "black ankle boots"."
done
  • "by musician Mike Stock who described Scherzinger's performance" → "by musician Mike Stock, who described it"
done
  • "she performed it again" → "Scherzinger performed it again"
done
done
done
done
  • "in the United States first performing" → "in the US, first performing" per MOS:US
done
done
done
  • Remove wikilink on Rap-Up
done
  • "described the whole performance. "Dressed" → "described the whole performance: "Dressed"
done

Music video[edit]

Background and synopsis[edit]

  • Wikilink music video on the img text and first mention in prose
done
  • Remove wikilink on Los Angeles
done
  • "on "Whatever You Like"." → "on the visual for "Whatever You Like"."
done
  • "Scherzinger in interview to MTV News she said," → "In an interview with MTV News, she said,"
done
done
  • "premiered on VEVO.com on" → "premiered through Vevo on" with the wikilink
done
  • "premiered the same day, one" → "premiered the same day: one"
done
  • "with 50 Cent saying, He" → "with 50 Cent, saying, "He"
done
  • Remove wikilink on music video
done
  • Remove wikilink on 50 Cent
done
  • Shouldn't things like the green screen have sources for them?
done, it was lready in one of the other sources
  • "As the first verse begins Scherzinger" → "As the first verse begins, Scherzinger"
done
  • "walking on a ghostly downtown" → "as she walks around a ghostly downtown"
done
done
  • "space-turned-nightclub" this reads weirdly – please clarify
done
  • "is a closeup of Scherzinger," → "is a closeup of her,"
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Reception[edit]

  • Remove pipe on Idolator
done
  • "liked the video stating, "'Right There' is upbeat," → "liked the video, stating it "is upbeat,"
done
  • "video should be."" → "video should be"." per MOS:QUOTE
done
  • Italicise Buzzworthy
done
  • "reminded that she used to lead the..." → "reminded him that Scherzinger used to be the lead singer of the Pussycat Dolls." to be less wordy
done
  • "negatively criticized of 50 Cent's appearance" → "negatively criticized 50 Cent's appearance"
done
  • "of product placement of Belvedere calling it "bit much" but she later writes" → "of product placement, calling it a "bit much", but she later wrote"
done
  • "and totally silly fashion."" → "and totally silly fashion"."
done
  • "commented, "effortless moves" → "commented that "effortless moves"
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  • "at number forty-nine on" → "at number 49 on" per MOS:NUM
done
  • Remove wikilink on MTV
done
  • "was one of the most watched music video" → "was one of the most watched music videos"
done

Track listing[edit]

done

Credits and personnel[edit]

  • Remove img since this is not necessary to show the recording studio
done
  • Shouldn't 50 Cent and any other personnel besides Scherzinger be wikilinked?
done
  • Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel
I see the template but I don't know where this has come from or why it is a thing. I can't see a policy reason for this. {{spaced ndash}} generates a dash with non-breaking spaces, however since there's no potential for each credit/personnel to split lines I don't understand where this rule has come from.

Charts and certifications[edit]

Weekly charts[edit]

  • List of record charts and positions → Chart performance for "Right There"
done
  • The Romanian position is not sourced
fixed, found better sourcing and actually higher position than originally quoted

Year-end charts[edit]

  • Australia (ARIA) Urban Singles → Australia Urban (ARIA)
done

Certifications[edit]

done

Release history[edit]

  • Add a separate col for the refs
done
done
  • I don't think the additional [106] is needed for the United States
done
  • Split contemporary and rhythmic radio into two separate rows
done

References[edit]

done
  • Remove United Business Media from refs 2 and 32, only wikilinking Music Week on the first one
done
done
  • Cite Digital Spy as publisher instead on refs 4, 17 and 19
note done, Digital Spy is a website
  • Ref 7 should link iTunes or iTunes Store; cite as the same one consistently for all these refs and only link on this instance
done
  • Remove BBC Radio 1Xtra from ref 8 since BBC is the publisher
done
couldn't find this one - I went back and reviewed from the date you started the review and couldn't find ref 14 that was self-published
  • WP:OVERLINK of MTV News on refs 15, 49 and 50, also remove the other website/publisher parameters from these
done
  • 4 Music → 4Music on ref 22 with the wikilink
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Digital Spy on ref 23 and remove Hachette Fillapaachi Medias
done
  • Remove the publisher from refs 24 and 62
done
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 25 and 68, also remove Buzz Media and fix WP:OVERLINK of Idolator
done
  • Wikilink The Guardian on ref 27
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 29 and change to Popdust
done
  • Remove DMG from ref 30
done
  • Remove wikilink on Official Charts Company on ref 31
done, changed to OCC instead, doesn't need to be Zobbel
  • Charts Plus → UKChartsPlus on ref 34 with the wikilink, citing as work/website instead
done
  • Only cite Irish Singles Chart as publisher on refs 35 and 36, solely linking on the first instance
done
  • Remove Hung Medien from ref 38
done
  • Remove the publisher from refs 41, 44, 45 and 46
done
  • Remove the publisher from ref 42
done
  • Solely cite Rap-Up as work/website on refs 51, 59, 60, 63 and 106, removing any overlinks and excess publisher/websites
done
  • Solely cite PopCrush as work/website instead on ref 52 with the wikilink per MOS:LINK2SECT
done
  • Cite Rap-Up as work/website on ref 53
done
  • Remove AOL from refs 54 and 67, citing MyDaily only as work/website
done
  • Remove wikilink on The Guardian for ref 55 and remove the bracketed part
done
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Idolator on ref 58 and remove BuzzMedia, as well as the staff since they are not an author
done
  • Solely cite MTV Networks as publisher on ref 61
done
  • Do the same for ref 66 but with no wikilink and removing MTV Buzzworthy
done
  • Remove the bracket part from refs 69 and 71
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 70 and remove the publisher
done
  • Cite Vevo as publisher on ref 74 with the wikilink
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Australian Recording Industry Association on refs 78 and 97
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Billboard Brasil on ref 80
done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 83 and remove the publisher
done
done
  • Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 99 and cite a work/publisher
done

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this is a bit messy but should be sorted soon! --K. Peake 12:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Kyle Peake, not surprised it was a met. I was trying to c/e it from original 2013 state! It was my intention to pick this up this evening but I've come down with the dreaded Miss C'Vid (* insert expletive here *). Its making it tricky for me to concentrate etc, hence I've been online doing more mundane things. I'll have to revisit this in a couple of days. Please bear with... >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lil-unique1 Oh that is not good at all, I hope you get well soon and I understand you not going over this article currently. --K. Peake 05:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lil-unique1 It is good to see that you have started to make considerable progress on this article, however the names of authors repeated in reception can keep the publications but should only have their surnames since these are supposed to be used once. --K. Peake 11:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your patience @Kyle Peake. I think I've done all these now including addressing your point above. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lil-unique1 Nice job, but you still need to wikilink Euro Digital Songs per MOS:LINK2SECT, fix MOS:QUOTE issues especially in reception, change the twang/complimented part and remove or replace Muumuuse.com per WP:SELFPUB. --K. Peake 07:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah - muumuuuse.com is allowed because the author Bradley Stern is a reliable source. He has written multiple times for MTV and NME which means it is allowed- Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. I'll get to the other stuff later today. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 08:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That is acceptable and I am glad you will sort out the rest, however that ref still has MOS:QWQ issues. K. Peake 08:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorted Kyle Peake >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 14:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lil-unique1 You still need to follow MOS:LINK2SECT --K. Peake 06:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If this was about Euro Digital songs, all instances are wikilinked to Billboard charts#International Charts. I've found one further instance of Popcrush which wasn't linked. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 08:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lil-unique1 You are supposed to link to itself when the article redirects to a section. --K. Peake 20:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So the opposite of what I did then i.e. use Euro Digital Songs as the link instead of [[Billboard charts#International Charts|Euro Digital Songs]]? >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    ✓ Pass now, you have got it spot on here! --K. Peake 06:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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