Talk:Renier of Montferrat

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Heritable claims on Thessalonica[edit]

Villehardouin suggests that Thessalonica was a sort of "consolation prize" for the Marquis of Montferrat for not having been chosen Emperor, and also because it bordered on the territory of his relative by marriage, the King of Hungary. He doesn't say anything about Renier's Byzantine title.

That's true, but if I recall correctly, Robert of Clari knew of it. Silverwhistle 17:40, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find this in Robert de Clari (mind you, the CFMA edition has an incomplete index ...) Boniface asks for Salonica, all right, but he doesn't cite Renier in his support. In my own notes the statement that Boniface's claim was strengthened by memories of Renier and Maria goes back only to Runciman (vol. 3 p. 125). Runciman's cited sources for this paragraph, which I can't check, are (1) Longnon, L'Empire latin de Constantinople pp. 49-64, and the partition treaty in Tafel and Thomas, Urkunden pp. 464-468. Andrew Dalby 11:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check Choniates, too. I'm also recalling conversations I've had about the family with Dr. Ruth Macrides. I've also got Roberto Maestri's recent book (in Italian) on Boniface. it doesn't invalidate the 'consolation prize' angle. Boniface also got his daughter Agnes married off to the Latin Emperor Henry. Silverwhistle 15:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?[edit]

How could "Latin-friendly views" trigger "a plot to ... give power to Maria and Renier," a Latin? Srnec 17:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]