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Genres

I cannot believe pop punk hasn't been added to their genres, most of their music is in fact pop punk. http://www.avclub.com/article/beginners-guide-bouncy-buzz-pop-punk-201853 http://www.rhapsody.com/blog/post/rhapsody-university-pop-punk-101 http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/endofthecentury/legacy.html ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realpunkmusic (talk • contribs) 13:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

It is already present in the musical style section. FYI, its common practice to list just 1 or 2 major, core genre in the infobox, and then expand it with other genre in a musical style section later on. See examples like The Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, Nirvana (band), etc. Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Calling the Ramones "pop punk" is like calling Black Sabbath "doom metal". The Ramones' debut is the first punk album (as Sabbath's debut is the first metal album). The Ramones never departed significantly from their original sound. No modifier is needed or is appropriate for the Ramones' genre. True, after punk diversified into hardcore and other forms, other bands who played Ramones style music could be called "pop punk", which became something of a subgenre (again, Sabbath and doom metal is a parallel case). But that genre didn't exist in '76... nor did punk. The Ramones debut brought the latter into existence, and is what they were and were always known as; "pop punk" is revisionist.

Follow up: With respect to the above links, the AV club article actually backs up my point that the Ramones were not "pop punk", but rather its influence (Hell, they influenced plenty of music, including hardcore). The PBS article did not identify the Ramones as belonging to a "genre" known as pop punk (it doesn't acknowledge the existence of any such genre), but merely used the phrase as a descriptor for the Ramones and 2 other bands; this is rather like saying Blue Cheer played loud rock. The Rhapsody piece is merely a blog and not a good source. Keithramone33 (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The Ramones Logo

Hello- I'm an avid Ramones fan and noticed that the logo is not up to date. Meaning, the members in the logo on the page now are not the members that the band ended with. I am advocating the change or update of The Ramones logo on their page to better show who the ending members of the band were, which includes Tommy, Johnny, Joey and DeeDee. Marky left the band due to alcoholism and anger over t-shirt sales in the 80s. This was how the band played their last show. I think it's important to have this logo and not the one that is currently up as it is more accurate as it displays the names of the original members.

Watermelonfree (talk) 19:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to the logo you propose to use? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's an example of the link I'm arguing we change it to: http://www.thelogofactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ramones-logo.png

Watermelonfree (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

That is not a good source for a logo since it is a commercial logo design website. The source should be an official band website. I know that the band has not been around for 20 years, but there is still an official website, isn't there? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:50, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay- here's from the actual Ramones website. http://www.ramones.com/photos/. The original photo was posted to their Instagram. This is the logo that is acknowledged as the current and most accurate by the band/ Johnny's wife and the their reps. Watermelonfree (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but the change advocated by user Watermelonfree is complete rubbish. DeeDee, Joey, Johnny, Tommy were the founding members, the ending members were C.Jay, Joey, Johnny, Marky. Marky (Marc Bell) was on a hiatus during the mid-80s due to health problems. The much circulated t-shirt incident is attributed to Richie, his temporary replacement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8070:21A2:A700:9284:DFF:FEF5:C9F8 (talk) 20:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)