Talk:Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland

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Why have the article if the guy isn't important enough to explain what he actually does?[edit]

Perhaps this is American bias, but here you have to actually do something worth mentioning to get a Wikipedia article. We have plenty of men (and so do China and India) who are far richer than this man and not mentioned on Wikipedia. Or is being the father of the man who dated some passing media fad enough for an article now? But then again Wikipedia is more about what appeals to leftists than any kind of serious criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.27.225 (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this is British bias, but being the current Duke of Northumberland, the head of the Percy dynasty that has held land, position and Royal patronage since the 1300's, the man who owns one of the largest stately homes in Greater London that still holds it's original grounds, who's family seat in the north of England is large enough to allow Harry Potter to be filmed there, a man whose ancestors shaped the history surrounding the succession of Henry VIII's children, the execution of Charles I and the restoration of the Monarchy, the Gunpowder Plot and various other significant points in British history, as well as being the same family that gave 'you' Americans the Smithsonian institute, does deserve a mention. Lord Ralph's position is not based simply upon his wealth; rather is it the fact that he is the current guardian of a large part of the history of our country and also of yours; he has allowed recent excavations on his land that have revealed that he has been the protector of Roman archaeology and beyond. His association with all of our families histories, ancestors who are characters in Shakespeare's plays, a house that turned it's land over to agriculture during the war to help feed the families around it that had been it's tenants for generations. These are the things that make him noteworthy, not his bank balance. Or do you disagree?
AndrewJFulker (talk) 12:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let me see if I can put this in terms a USian might understand: like the Dude, he abides. And it is absolutely the case that as the head of one of the oldest established and historically more notable aristocratic families, he is notable: not for what he does but for what he is. That's just the way things swing in the UK. Welcome to a millennium or so of very deeply ingrained tradition buttressed by a massive fortune. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Having on one's land an archaeological site(s) of note is not enough to warrant a biography in WP especially if all that he did to protect it was let it be widely unknown to the world especially himself. I do admit that I would not want my cousins' Percy to be unknown outside of Berk's and other books of peerage and rank but as concerns historical heritage of the US, we might want to start featuring the less ennobled families that are the heritage of the emerging "non"-minority of the US (Hispanic/Latin). As for landed wealth, not much competition up there where you can chill a magnum of champagne merely by letting the cold tap run in the bathtub, even during summer. Anyways, we all know that those that seem to be noticeable today somehow had dollar brides in their past when the US robber barons had to sell off their daughters to the pride rich yet pocket jingle poor earls, dukes and viscounts.

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