Talk:Radetzky March

Three parts

Despite the fact that tharticle states "Radetzky March consists of three main parts:" the section following this statement does not clearly display what and which constitutes these "three main parts". 129.94.6.28 23:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This concert march actually follows an A-B-A pattern with transitions at Measures 69 and 121 (assuming 2/2 meter at M.M. ♩=120). - B.C.Schmerker 01:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Additional popular culture note

A concert-band arrangement of this Tune was featured in the Everyman Productions mini-series The Prisoner. I don't have a cite immediately available, however. - B.C.Schmerker 01:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC) In the book "The Book Thief" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.112.63 (talk) 04:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I came across a CD, Soviet and Russian Marches, one tune is listed as the "Eagle" (Old Russian March). It sounded so similar to the Radeztky March. Are they the same? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maclilus (talk • contribs) 01:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Source of inspiration for others ?

I was curious to see if there were composers other than classical inspired by this march but found no refferences about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srelu (talk • contribs) 20:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Radetzky March

This was the Regimental March of The 1st The King's Dragoon Guards but following their amalgamation with The 2nd Dragoon Guards (The Queen's Bays)in 1959 the Regimental Marches were combined. They are now played as half of the Radetzky March and half of "Rusty Buckles" for The 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards.

Terry Pizzala, ex Trooper K D G. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.25.23 (talk) 16:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Which Strauss son?

The article states that this piece was written partly as thanks to Field Marshal Radetsky for not executing Strauss Snr's son. Does anybody know which son this was and what had been the offence? Rickedmo (talk) 16:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Reception

The last paragraph of the "Reception" section describes a "new arrangement" of the Radetzky March had been compiled to replace the Weninger arrangement in an attempt to de-Nazify the march.

(It doesn't explain Weninger's Nazi connections, so readers may be mystified by this remark.)

The article says "The new arrangement was heard New Year's Day 2020."

However, the Vienna Philharmonic's own website explains that the orchestra's performances had moved away from the Weninger arrangement for some years, with lots of ad-hoc alterations so that "with time, the Radetzky March was no longer performed the way it was notated in Weninger's arrangement."

It then goes on to explain that the orchestra's chairman had "commissioned the music library to capture and document these changes and incorporate them into the orchestra's own new edition of the score".

So, the "new arrangement" is, in fact, what the Vienna Philharmonic has been playing for some years: a "tidied-up" edition of the printed score, capturing what the orchestra actually plays, and not really a "new arrangement".

MuirSR (talk) 00:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

MuirSR You are not reading this correctly; as the website is not presenting (for obvious reasons) the entire story. Please refer to the news coverage in the sources provided below and in the section itself preceding. Your interpretation is incorrect if gleaned only from the website. Maineartists (talk) 04:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Misleading content

This added content: "The orchestra's own website gives a rather different account of this story, explaining that, over the years, the orchestra had made numerous amendments to the Weninger arrangement they used (Weninger having been a Nazi supporter) so that "the Radetzky March was no longer performed the way it was notated in Weninger's arrangement". Further, the orchestra's chairman had "commissioned the music library to capture and document these changes and incorporate them into the orchestra's own new edition of the score". Philharmonic Version of the Radetzky March Thus, the "new edition" performed from New Year's Day 2020 is exactly what the orchestra had been performing for some years" is not only misleading, but not backed by the source provided. The editor who added this content has taken liberties in contrast to the source content to make it sound as if the preceding statement is false or that the commissioned arrangement was for a different reason. The highly publicized story regarding the Board of Director's choice is well-documented: De-Nazifying The "Radetzky March" At The 2020 Vienna New Year's Concert, Philharmonic clean up New Year's concert from Nazi past. No where in the source provided: [1] does it state that the website gives a "rather different account of this story." If anything, it supports the claims as can be seen in newspaper articles: "The old version that has been performed for decades – in the name of “tradition” – is a version created by composer and glowing Nazi supporter Leopold Weninger. As a consequence the board of directors of the Vienna Philharmonic, represented by Daniel Froschauer, commissioned the music archivist of the orchestra to produce a new version. “This version will be used from now on,” Froschauer said. Weninger turned the 1848 march by Johann Strauss senior into a very militant affair, which helped make the number popular in Nazi times. He added a special snare drum to make it all sound even more pointed, removed ornaments, and “fixed” the tune in the middle section. He also made the sound more “massive” and overwhelming, more in sync with the times." This is the reason why Daniel Froschauer commissioned the music archivist of the orchestra to produce a new version. There is no "different account" to the story as proposed by the editor. The added content is pure interpretation (wrongly), and is not backed by the source; or any for that matter. I am removing it. Maineartists (talk) 04:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Galopping horse

I always associate this with a galloping horse, even though it's called a march. Does anyone know if that's a common interpretation worth mentioning with the proper resources? I'm asking here first because I'm sure there's some source i could dig up, but i don't know how common this interpretation is. PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 18:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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