Talk:Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Malleus Fatuorum 16:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Lead

• "When Lady Grange claimed to have produced evidence of his treasonable plottings against the Hanoverian government in London ...". Is this evidence the letter that she took to the authorities? I'n stuggling a bit with "claimed to have produced", as it seems that she certainly did produce the letter. Her claim on the other hand appears to be that the letter was evidence of her husband's treason.

She did have a letter or letters, but the content is unknown. It may have been outright treason that Lord G's friends in Edinburgh were able to simply ignore, but which may have had more of an effect in London. Lord G's sister-in-law, Lady Mar, may have been treated badly by Walpole and if Grange had written about this it would certainly have been embarrassing to him, if not exactly a criminal offence. Lady G took them to the Justice Clerk in Edinburgh, apparently claiming that they were treasonable and contained references to the "Pretender" although this was dismissed by a contemporary friend of Lord G. In short, I think it should be "After Lady Grange produced letters that she claimed were evidence of his treasonable plottings against the Hanoverian government in London ...". Done. Ben MacDui 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

• "She died in captivity, after being effectively imprisoned for 13 years." That there was no successful rescue attempt I suppose proves that the imprisonment was effective, but I suspect that "effectively" is perhaps being used to modify the wrong word term here. Or ought that to be "virtually imprisoned"? Not quite certain what this is getting at.

The sense I am attempting to convey is that although she was not actually imprisoned in the sense that she was in a jail (or gaol if you prefer), for she was free to wander about the islands she was on, she was nonetheless certainly not at liberty either. In other words that she was "in effect imprisoned" rather than "imprisoned effectively". I had not considered this ambiguity and am not sure what to suggest. Perhaps it is as simple as "She died in captivity, after being in effect imprisoned" although that does not seem quite right to me. Ben MacDui

I'd be happier with "in effect imprisoned", as it goes some way to resolving the inherent ambiguity in "effectively imprisoned", but it's your call.

PS. In England "gaols" and "jails" were quite different establishments, as Iridescent – an American bizarrely – has explained to me. Malleus Fatuorum 21:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Monarch Isles

• "Lady Grange was housed with his tacksman". What's a "tacksman"?

Linked. Ben MacDui 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Motivations

• "... the Sobieski Stuarts listed Norman MacLeod of Dunvegan (who became known as "The Wicked Man") as the senior accomplices". Who or what are the "Sobieski Stuarts"? I see that it's linked later, but it could do with being explained or at least linked here, where it first occurs.

Done. Ben MacDui 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

• "As for Erskine himself was a 'singular compound of good and bad qualities'." Sentence doesn't make sense, Is there a missing "he" before "was"?

Fixed. Ben MacDui 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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I'm not going to waste my time in looking for further nits to pick out of this excellent article, which is now a GA. Malleus Fatuorum 21:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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