Talk:RB Formula One Team

Following sources

@Island92 and Carfan568: It seems the "competing as" name of the team should be "Visa Cash App RB Formula One Team" given these sources: formula1.com article FIA Entry list Visa press release RB Press release The Telegraph. We have to follow the sources. There are other 3rd party sources that use "F1 Team" as well, but the 3 strongest and most "official" sources (which isn't always the most important, but is appropriate in this case), go with "Formula One". Cerebral726 (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

That's wrong. Competing means taking part in Grands Prix. From the 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix entry list onwards, the teams will compete as Visa Cash App RB F1 Team and Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team, for example, and so on. We had past cases. Island92 (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

You are predicting that, but you don't actually know it until comes to pass. In the meantime, we must use strong sources (WP:V), not your intuition. If you are concerned with the "competing as" phrasing, we can change that to "entered as", "team name", "officially", or another option. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Cerebral. If we follow the sources it should be ‘Formula One’, which can be changed in the future if necessary. LesRoutine (talk) 19:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

A future edit to change it in F1 is unnecessary. I'm pretty sure that FIA has always adopted "F1 Team" in dedicated Grands Prix entry list. The trend is to do the same in 2024. That is because in the document, example, "Formula One Team" occupies more in-line space than simply "F1 Team". FIA uses the short version of Formula One. Island92 (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

That does not address the reasons that LesRoutine and I gave for why we should go with "Formula One" for now, and is not an argument based on any sort of Wikipedia policy; in fact, it violates WP:OR. If/when that happens, we can have another discussion about changing it back. But as we have myself, LesRoutine, and Carfan568 (from their edits) believing we should follow WP:V and follow the currently available sources, I believe we will be reverting that back. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Do whathever you want. I will put again F1 Team as soon as Bahrain entry list is released because this will be the case as from the moment I got used to reading what FIA added in its entry list. For them the practice has always been F1 Team. Island92 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

To confirm, I support that we should follow the current sources and use "Formula One Team" instead of speculating what the name will be in future entry lists. Even if the FIA shorten the name for the specific race entry lists, we don't necessarily need to use the shortened name on this article since space isn't a big issue here. Carfan568 (talk) 20:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Island92: when an entry list shows "F1" feel free to change it, but this claim that entry lists always show "F1", and not "Formula One" is just your personal WP:OR and has no place on Wikipedia. It is little nore than your opinion. SSSB (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but you can't ignore it that is a fact. FIA uses this practice in the single Grands Prix entry list. Island92 (talk) 16:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't ignore that this is the practice in previous seasons. But we cannot just assume it will continue - you cannot ignore that it would be WP:Original research, no matter how certain it may appear to be. SSSB (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

To date, there is not reason to see it different for 2024 compared to previous seasons. Island92 (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree. But the only relevant fact here is that it is your conclusion based on your analysis. Which makes it WP:OR and unsuitable for inclusion on Wikipedia.

As an irrelevant aside, you are coming across as very hypocritical. You continue to insist we use Alexander Albon instead of Alex Albon (the consensus commonname) because the entry lists use his official name, but here you want us to ignore the only entry list which mentions this team name based off of nothing more than a hunch about future entry lists? SSSB (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Team name criticism

@SSSB: I think Straw's point was that if the core team name was, for example, "Toro Rosso" instead of "RB", people could easily ignore the sponsors and refer to it as simply "Toro Rosso", but since the name is "RB", that is not really possible (since it could easily be confused with Red Bull). Therefore I don't think it is correct to add "Visa Cash App" in the place where you did in this edit, because he did not have a problem with the "Visa Cash App" part of the name per se, as he clearly says here. Carfan568 (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

agree, I've self-reverted SSSB (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Page title

Shouldn't it be called Racing Bulls?

2401:7400:6010:E1F2:40C8:B6FF:FED9:A4A5 (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

No, for two reasons. Firstly, Racings Bulls only appears to be the name of the owning company, not the team itself. Secondly, that would be contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. SSSB (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)