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Requested move[edit]

It was proposed in this section that Quinault people be renamed and moved to Quinault.

The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment.

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, not moved There was no agreement that primacy of topic has been proven, nor evidence of a centralized discussion of namings for ethnicity articles. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:55, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quinault people → Quinault – target is dab page originally created about the people on Sept 9 2003 by 67.75.229.84, then converted to dab page by same author on same day, then redirected to current title by Kwami on June 8 2010. NB Quinault (disambiguation) already exists. Relisted. BDD (talk) 22:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC) Skookum1 (talk) 06:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. An identified people should be the primary topic of a term absent something remarkable standing in the way. bd2412 T 02:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per the policy Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names and the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No one has shown that there is a primary topic and there is a lot more involved here then a simple case of people. There are unrelated families with this name and other articles. So the nomination logic here is flawed as it ignores material that would affect the decision. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Vegaswikian. Without evidence, it is impossible to know whether the Native American people are the primary topic, as against the family of actors. As such, the default should be to maintain the disambiguation at the base title. Xoloz (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Public domain text for expansion[edit]

From The North American Indian (1913) by Edward S. Curtis, pp 9-11, in "Further reading" as of 21:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

QUINAULT

The territory occupied by the Quinault tribes extends along the coast from Hoquiam river to Queets river. The principal tribe is the Quinault proper (Cht'qinaihl), living at the mouth of the river of that name, and the application of the term has been so extended by the whites as to include all the people using the same dialect.^[1] The natives however never had a collective name for these bands. In fact, the inhabitants of the village Qinaih-l excluded from the scope of that term even the smaller settlements of one or more houses that were scattered along the lower course of their river. On the other hand, other tribes employed the word to include these communities.

In the main each band of the Quinault group was found in a single large village near the mouth of a river. There appears to be no early estimate of their population that is worthy of quotation. At the present time they are resident on Quinault reservation, numbering seven hundred and fifty-nine in 1912.

The Quinault were less migratory than many of the tribes of the north Pacific coast, who in search of food annually abandoned their permanent villages in the summer. There were, in the present instance, no extended movements of the whole tribe. Women and slaves gathered berries and roots in near places, and never remained more than a day or two away from home. In the month of August a few men hunted sea-otter and others pursued the whale, but the most fished for rock-cod. Whaling was practised only among the Quinault proper, and but two men there, in the generation preceding the birth of the oldest informants, were possessed of the requisite "medicine" for captaining a whaling canoe. Each canoe was manned by a crew of seven besides the leader, who hurled the harpoon. In September and October the black salmon appear in the river, which at that season is so low that one can wade across it at its mouth, and the men speared them as they entered the stream. Toward the end of October and throughout the following month silverside salmon were taken in dip-nets. The river being now swollen from the autumnal rains, the fishermen walked along the banks, permitting the net at the end of a long pole to drift down with the current, and hauling in whenever a salmon swam into it. December and January are the months for steel-head trout, which were taken by means of a drift-net stretched between two canoes floating down stream, each craft being occupied by two men, one to paddle and steer and the other to handle the net. Finally, about the end of January and continuing until the middle of June, but attaining its maximum in May, comes the run of blueback salmon. Far and wide among the Indians of western Washington Quinault river is famous for the superior quality of the bluebacks it yields. They were caught in dipnets until about the first of May, when the water had so far subsided as to permit the building of weirs. The right to obstruct the river with a fish-weir was hereditary, and the locations, during the season of weir fishing, were practically the private property of the fortunate possessors. Naturally the location nearest the sea was far the most favorable, inasmuch as few fish could ascend above it when the traps at that point were closed. When the owner of a weir and the families of his dependents had taken all the salmon their temporary needs demanded, the gates were opened and the fish were free to ascend to the next barrier.

At the present time, the obstruction of streams by weirs being illegal, gill-nets are stretched at the same places formerly occupied by the weirs, an open channel being left to insure the propagation of the species. Fishing rights are still held in the families of the original possessors; but governmental authorities have laid down a wise ruling that any man who refuses or neglects to make reasonable use of his inherited privilege shall be dispossessed, and the location shall be transferred to a more energetic fisherman. The fish are sold at the river-bank, hauled over an exceedingly difficult road to Moclips, and shipped by rail to a cannery at Hoquiam. The annual income of the Quinault from this industry amounts to many thousand dollars.

About the end of June huge quantities of smelt, to be dried and smoked, were scooped up from the surf in broad, shallow dip-nets.

Sea-lions, asleep on rocks ordinarily submerged, were speared in midwinter when the weather was fine and the sea so smooth that the hunter could safely land on the rocks and approach his quarry from behind. Sealing was little practised. The small up-stream bands were good elk hunters, but the Quinault proper seldom ventured into the mountains or the forest. Trade was carried on by the Quinault principally with the Makah and the Chinook. The former came down from the north in their great ocean-going canoes to exchange slaves, dried halibut steaks, whale meat and blubber, strings of dentalium shells, and large canoes, for dried blueback salmon, paint, camas, elk-tallow to be used as an unguent, and beads, blankets, and guns obtained by the Quinault from the Chinook at the mouth of the Columbia. In summer the Quinault made ocean voyages to the Chinook country, stopping the first night out at Tshels (Point Hanson), and the second at Cape Shoalwater, and on the following evening rounding into the estuary of the Columbia. The Clatsop village Nu'sma'spu, on Youngs bay south of Astoria, was a favorite rendezvous for visitors from the north, on account of its nearness to the trading-post. Here the Quinault gave Makah canoes, slaves, dentalium shells, sea-otter skins, beaverskins, otter-skins, baskets, and a variety of coarse grass (probably bear-grass), in exchange for the goods of the white traders. The Quinault were not warlike. So peaceable were they that traditionists of the present day know of but one fray in which the tribe was concerned, a minor encounter with their kinsmen the Queets, who, in the generation preceding the birth of the oldest people now living, invaded the country of the Quinault proper. The latter drove them off, pursued them to their village, burned some of their houses, and returned with some slaves and a few heads, which they carried on the ends of poles. In spite of the dearth of tradition respecting native warfare, it must be assumed that the Quinault occasionally indulged in the primitive pastime, inasmuch as they possessed a war-dance.

Footnotes in source

^ In the three settlements on the north shore of Grays harbor, - H6qiamk, HumtulIps, and Qiyaanuh- (Damons point), - as well as in Kpels (Copalis) on the coast, the language possessed a difference noticeable to the Quinault proper. The variation however is negligible.

PD source above added. - Brianhe (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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needs expansion --Skookum1

I'm changing the rating to stub class; this seems closer to a long stub to me --Miskwito 20:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 01:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 03:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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[1] In the three settlements on the north shore of Grays harbor, - H6qiamk, HumtulIps, and Qiyaanuh- (Damons point), - as well as in Kpels (Copalis) on the coast, the language possessed a difference noticeable to the Quinault proper. The variation however is negligible.

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