Talk:Professor Hershel Layton

Requested move 1

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Professor Hershel Layton → Hershel Layton – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC) WP:NCP - Avoid honorifics unless using them is without question the best possible choice. Though I'd personally prefer calling the title Hershel Layton- the actual name of the character and the name that sees more use in the actual series, the media knows him more commonly as Professor Layton. In either case, it's pretty rarely Professor Hershel Layton, so the title is probably worthy of discussion. Hammerbrodude (talk) 21:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• If this is eventually moved to Professor Layton (and not Hershel Layton) it should be at Professor Layton (character) with Professor Layton being at the series article. The same way that the Harry Potter series is considered the primary meaning for Harry Potter and the the main character of the same name. I am not saying that it should be at Professor Layton but simply that it should not be considered the primary topic for the term if a consensus is reached to use that name.--70.24.211.105 (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. WP:NCP applies only to real people, not to fictional characters. Station1 (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:HONORIFICS doesn't apply to fictional characters (cf. Professor Frink, Reverend Lovejoy, Mr. Men, Mrs. Butterworth). Professor Layton would be the natural title, but that's taken already. Using his first name is a perfectly good way to disambiguate, and I think is better than using parenthetical disambiguation. (That said, is he really a significant enough character for his own article? This seems like a prime candidate for a merge.) Powers ^T 13:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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I know this is late but for future discussion. This page should be moved to Professor Layton (character) as that's what the character is primarily known as and referred to as. His first name is rarely ever used so there's no real reason to use that as the disambiguating factor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flygongengar (talk • contribs)

There's no real need to use parenthetical disambiguation when we have a useful, more natural method of disambiguation available. Powers ^T 18:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Professor Hershel Layton → Professor Layton (character) – He is almost ever known as simply "Professor Layton". Compare Professor John Nerdelbaum Frink, Jr. and Professor Frink, Reverend Timothy "Tim" Lovejoy and Reverend Lovejoy, etc. Kürbis (✔) 19:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose; the natural disambiguation of using his given name is superior to and preferred over the artificial disambiguation of a parenthetical. Powers ^T 20:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

• He is always ever referred to this name. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 20:10, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Before you said "almost ever", but now you say "always". It can't be "always" or we wouldn't know what his given name is. Regardless, I don't see how this is a counterargument. He's never called "Professor Layton (character)". Powers ^T 20:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - Natural disambiguation is always preferable to parenthetical disambiguation. Disambiguation here is necessary as the primary topic is Professor Layton, the video game series. Salvidrim! 05:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

• Say that the reader wants to know information of the actual character. Professor Layton leads to the series, not the character. To avoid this this and Professor Layton needs to be moved. Also WP:COMMONNAME. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:11, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment I'd like anyone opposed to answer the claim by Kürbis which I think is right that sometimes people are so well known by a title that (even if we know their first name) the best policy is to use the titular name (Reverend Lovejoy or Professor Moriarty are good examples). However, any supporters should respond to the equally correct claim that parenthetical disambiguation is a bad option when we can do it in other ways. I'm leaning toward Oppose because of the unique disambiguation problems in this case. SLawsonIII (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

• • Both the current and the proposed title include the title "Professor", so I'm not clear exactly what you want me to respond to. Powers ^T 22:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I've already mentionned that natural disambiguation is preferable and both proposed names include the title of "Professor". Salvidrim! 22:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - As mentioned, natural disambiguation is always preferable. Something about WP seems to have made some people blind to anything (parenthetical), but it is not that way to most readers. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose, in line with the opposes above. Sources don't actually call him "Professor Layton (character)". bobrayner (talk) 13:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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Duplicate and excessive text from List of Professor Layton characters

Due to List of Professor Layton characters having been put up for AfD due to lack of sources and duplicate information, I'm pruning it. Firstly I noticed that there existed a link to this article but yet there was a needless about of information about Layton himself. This entire bit is probably useless as it was completely unsourced, but I'm posting here for both posterity and for the possibility that someone sees something that could be added here, sourced this time of course.

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Pre-Game Life Layton's original name was Theodore Bronev. His father, Leon Bronev, was a famous archaeologist, but due of his vast knowledge of the ancient super-civilization of the Azran, he and his wife Rachel were kidnapped by the evil Targent organization, leaving the young Theodore and his brother Hershel orphans. Shortly after, he was adopted (at the age of six) by his adoptive parents, Roland and Lucille, thereafter involuntarily suppressing the memories of his past. Since Roland and Lucille wanted to adopt the real Hershel but never met him, Hershel give his name to Theodore in an effort to keep him away from the Azran Legacy and let him live a happy life with a loving family. When he was 14, the adopted Hershel and his parents moved to Stansbury, where he met Randall Ascot. He and Randall both demonstrated great skill in fencing. Randall was very interested in archaeology and took Layton, who didn't care much for archaeology, on frequent adventure trips. One day, Layton accompanied Randall on an investigation of the Akbadain ruins. During this, Layton accidentally stepped on a trap and Randall fell through the resulting crack in the ground. Layton made it out of the ruins, but his grief at being responsible for the loss of his best friend caused him to move to London. Layton decided to honor his lost friend by becoming an archaeologist. He attended and graduated Gressenheller University, where he later became a professor of archaeology. During his time there, Layton was taught by Dr. Andrew Schrader. At Gressenheller, Layton met Clark Triton and Claire Foley, the latter of whom he dated, hoping to eventually ask for her hand. Claire gave him his trademark hat as a congratulatory gift for being hired as a professor. However, that same day, when the time machine she was working on was tested, it exploded, killing her. It seems that before this, he had lost contact with another classmate of his named Paul, who, after seeing Layton and Claire in love, grew jealous and became the evil genius Don Paolo. In a flashback during the third game, it is revealed that Layton comforted a young boy named Clive Dove, whose parents had also been killed in the explosion, and kept him from running back into the time machine's ruined building to find them. Since then, Hershel has never stopped wearing the hat Claire gave him as a constant memento. Layton, who discovered that the events of that day had been censored, undertook an investigation until he was beaten by thugs (presumably those of Prime Minister-to-be Bill Hawks). He restarted his investigation multiple times, and though he always reached a dead-end, he vowed to never give up. Several years after the tragedy, Layton saved Emmy Altava from being wrongly arrested for a crime she did not commit. Although she remembers this encounter, he does not. In-Game Life At the start of Professor Layton and the Last Specter, Layton is summoned by Clark to solve a mystery. This action spawns a chain of events that leads Layton in the following three years (the second game trilogy and The Ethernal Diva film) to meet Clark's son, Luke Triton, meet again Emmy Altava, whose becomes his assistant, uncover the hidden truths of his past as well the mysteries of the Azran Civilization, and destroy the very same organization that destroyed his early childhood life, the Targent. He also reunites with Randall Ascot in Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, who survived his fall but was left amnesiac for years; his older brother, who masquerades as the villainous Jean Descole and with whom he clashes multiple times; and his biological father. At the end of Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy, after saving the world from a rampage of Azran golems, Layton swears to never accept back his original name or recognize Bronev as a father, but he expresses his hopes to meet him again one day as a friend and colleague. In Professor Layton and the Curious Village, Layton and Luke go to St. Mystere to solve a mystery involving an inheritance dispute. Once there, they meet Flora, daughter of the late Baron Augustus Reinhold, whose will needs deciphering. After discovering the secret of the village, Flora decides to leave her father's fortune alone so the robotic village people can continue to function as normal, and Layton becomes her guardian. In Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box, Layton visits his old mentor's home, only to discover him (presumably) dead after opening a supposedly cursed box. With a train ticket to the Molentary Express as the only clue, he and Luke set off to discover the troubled past of a once sparkling city and free Anton Herzen, a duke scaring his own people into thinking he is a vampire, from an unending illusion and sorrow. In Professor Layton and the Unwound Future, Layton and Luke are invited to attend an event demonstrating a time machine and witness the Prime Minister Bill Hawks disappearing along with the time machine's inventor, Dimitri Allen (under the guise of Dr. Alain Stahngun). Soon, he receives a letter by someone who claims to be Luke from ten years in the future, telling them to head to a clock shop. Upon heading there, a time machine is activated, and he and Luke are transported to what appears to be the London of the future. While on his quest in Future London, Layton repeatedly sees a woman similar to his former love, Claire. In the end, it is revealed that the time machine and Future London were an elaborate ruse all the time, created by a young man named Clive Dove to avenge the injustices behind the original time machine's incident. At the same time, the mysterious woman is indeed Claire, who explains that the original time machine worked for a short time before exploding, launching her ten years into the future. Due to the incomplete nature of the machine, she is doomed to travel back to her death date. Layton is left heartbroken by being separated again, but he is able to finally accept her death. At the end of The Unwound Future, Luke leaves London with his family and bids a final goodbye to Layton. Soon after, Layton receives a letter from Luke, asking the professor to help him solve an unspecified turmoil that befell his new home. After he finishes reading said letter, Layton looks outside his office window, knowing that a new adventure awaits.

--Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)