Talk:Presidential immunity in the United States

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This article gives heavy undue weight to the arrest of Ulysses S Grant[edit]

I don't want to repeat the discussion, so this is just a pointer. At Talk:Arrest of Ulysses S. Grant several of us discuss heavily that West's story is dubious and that particular article has many issues. Those issues apply here, at least wrt to "The Arrest of Ulysses S Grant". 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the weight issues of this story in this article apply anymore, since I have gone ahead with the reorganization mentioned in the section below. Even if a false story, "The arrest of Grant" has been cited numerous times by political and legal experts, but to my knowledge has never been used in a legal argument in a court. It should be mentioned because it is discussed by some as a true event. How it could possibly be applied as precedent when no legal record exists would be an interesting thing to hear, if any expert has actually talked about it. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 21:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weight issues with article organization[edit]

Unless this is meant to be a listicle of former presidents and nearly-presidents that have had legal trouble, I don't understand why the scholarly views part is at the bottom instead of the top. There's a strong synth feel until you get to that part, suggesting wp:weight is the issue. Legal and political experts talking on the topic hold much more weight than the various examples that might be mentioned. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead with that reorg. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

civil vs criminal distinction - important but too early for separate article planning[edit]

I get the idea with making a criminal immunity article and a civil immunity article, but this small article put up in tandem with a red link to the civil article is putting the cart before the horse. I suggest adding civil immunity arguments in this article as well, and as such, I also suggest a page retitle to Presidential immunity in the United States. That's currently a redirect to Presidential immunity section of Absolute Immunity. Adding more content here then putting a little "full article" hat in that section seems the best route at the moment. Unless someone has a big "civil" article in their sandbox or something. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My general answer to this would be WP:SOFIXIT. Sometimes someone only has time to write about part of a topic, and so you wind up with an unfinished set of articles. That said, I had some time on my hands, so here ya go. :) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 05:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. My editing experience is yet to include a rename, so I'm technically hesitant. My experience does include fielding irrational arguments over a name change, so I figure a talk page post is best. 50.37.141.179 (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 19:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Tamzin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Presidential immunity in the United States; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph). No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done. Good to go.--Launchballer 15:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin and Launchballer: The hook is not stated in the article - at least not in a way that makes it easy to find: I am hoping that you can put it in there with a citation so that I can promote and others can verify. WP:DYK#3. Maybe repeat this line from the intro in the body and cite No court has ever ruled on the matter of criminal immunity, nor does there exist any scholarly consensus.. It is possible that I am just not seeing it if it is there. Bruxton (talk) 18:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bruxton: The relevant line in the article is Neither memo has force of law, but are binding within the Department of Justice. Because they were not promulgated with room for public comment, they do not qualify as administrative law either; rather, they are an internal prosecutorial policy, sourced to the same as above. Is a more on-point line than that needed? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin: I wonder if you can put the hook language in the article with a citation. It will be easier than deciphering the legal jargon. Bruxton (talk) 18:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin: Thank you - I will promote this now. Bruxton (talk) 19:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence[edit]

We're talking about immunity from lawsuits and immunity from ... criminal charges? This could be made clearer in the first sentence, both in the word choice and the word order. (I would say both should use "immunity from X" framing.) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: Pinging in the hope you can take a look at this thought. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@The ed17: Better? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Immunity from state not federal imprisonment[edit]

Had hoped to learn if a sitting President convicted under one or more state laws can be imprisoned while in office by a state eg Georgia.

Asking for a friend. 123security321 (talk) 19:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

citation cleanup[edit]

The citations need cleanup, I would say using Sfn or Rp MarkiPoli (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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