Talk:Port Gamble, Washington

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History wording[edit]

A couple of passages caught my eye, or rather one did (the first one) while I was looking at the esecond one, which I wrote originally:

The body of water was named by the Wilkes expedition in 1841 after U.S. Navy Lt. Robert Gamble. The community, originally known as Teekalet, was founded as a company town by Josiah Keller, William Talbot, and Andrew Pope's Puget Mill Company in 1853.[4]

"The commnnity, originally known as Teekalet...." - it's important to state whether there was a Native American community at the location and Teekalet was its name, or the location was named Teekalet; and in which language (Lushoosteed presumably) and what it means is kind of also needed.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In 1856, The USS Massachusetts was sent from Seattle to Port Gamble, Washington Territory on Puget Sound, where indigenous raiding parties from British and Russian territories had been raiding and enslaving local Native Americans

I wanated to note/comment that this was an alliance of Haida and "Tongas"....when I've seen reference to these raids in BC history it's spelled Tongass and I've always associated that reference with the Tlingit; but one of the sources identified the "Tongas" as Tsimshisan. I'm not saying that's right, as white people misperceive/misrecord tribal name stuff all the time; it's just the raiding parties shoudl be identified; the point about British/Russian territory is to do with why there was no pursuit possible (even if ships fast enough to compete with hte canoes for speed were available) by the US; the British could not pursue, though sympathetic, because of a lack of armamanent capable of taking on the Tongass-Haida alliance, and again a lack of ships; this all seemed too copmlicated to give here, maybe I have some of it in the Isaac Ebey article; the British outposts in and around Victoria were themselves vulnerable, relative t o the sacle of native popluations at the time; it wasn't until after the smallpox epidemic of the 1860s that Britain was really able to assert some kind of control along the coast north of Georgia Strait; ironically the plague was spread northwards by north coast peoples who had congregated at Victoria as part of plan to exterminate white people, which kind of fizzled due to Douglas' diplomacy/posturing; smallpox appeared and they all headed back to their villages, bringing the dieease with them.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that whole paragraph has mistakes and problems and should be rewritten. I'll try to find time to do it. The main source given is Beth Gibson, Beheaded Pioneer, Laura Arksey, Columbia, Washington State Historical Society, Tacoma, Spring, 1988, but that URL says "Hometown Has Been Shutdown. Posted on Nov 6th 2008 1:30PM ... We're sorry to inform you that as of Oct. 31, 2008, AOL® Hometown was shut down permanently." So if nothing else the footnote can be deleted unless the content exists somewhere else). The other source given is Bancroft's 1890 history book, with a mention of the raiders being Stikine/Tlingit--which is what my sources say as well. There are some other issues, at least according to the book I am reading, which says the Tlingit raiding party (from Kupreanof Island) went to southern Puget Sound and "harassed native villages" near Steilacoom. Then, returning north they stopped at Port Gamble, beaching their canoes. Some of the Tlingit's "relatives worked at the mill" at Port Gamble. Apparently their visit was for friendly purposes. The commander of the gunboat Massachusetts asked, via an interpreter, for the Tlingit to leave "peacefully in tow of this vessel". The Tlingit declined, perhaps "defiantly" and "tauntingly". One thing led to another and before long the gunboat opened fire and a shore party attacked, killed many including a chief, destroyed the canoes, etc. The Tlingit "sued for peace" after "48 hours" (surprisingly long time) and the gunboat took 87 of them to Victoria, from which they eventually got back to Alaska. They were warned, apparently by Governor Douglas, never to return to Puget Sound. But in next summer they did, "bent on vengeance for their dead chief". That was when they killed Isaac Ebey on Whidbey Island. Anyway, I will try to find time to write this up better and rewrite that paragraph. 21:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

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Consensus for merge. Better to merge first and then do corrections, because it's easier to work on 1 article. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 17:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the two pages should be merged. There are better footnotes undergirding Port Gamble, Mill Town and those need to be preserved during the mergerElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 14:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A merge appears appropriate - but the recent attempt was a simple cut/paste, resulting in redundant content and mangled formatting. I've undone it for now until a better thought-out and correctly structured merge can be performed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, after a quick review, Port Gamble, Mill Town does contain several useful links; but it is not written from an encyclopedic tone, instead written more as a narrative story. Before merging, much of that content will need to be trimmed to just the encyclopedic facts without the narrative storyline. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Transportation[edit]

Usually most cities get a section for Transportation including what highways, railroads, airports, bridges, etc. serve it. Should we add one for Port Gamble? I know it's more of a historical location and current unincorporated community, but I think it would be valuable to include that it is on an important route (104) between the Edmonds-Kingston Ferry and the Olympic Peninsula, US 101, via the Hood Canal Floating bridge. Boucher4 (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]